Poll
Question:
Vote for up to 5
Option 1: The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
votes: 2
Option 2: Chic
votes: 1
Option 3: Deep Purple
votes: 19
Option 4: Peter Gabriel
votes: 21
Option 5: Hall and Oates
votes: 7
Option 6: KISS
votes: 19
Option 7: LL Cool J
votes: 2
Option 8: The Meters
votes: 1
Option 9: Nirvana
votes: 32
Option 10: N.W.A.
votes: 13
Option 11: The Replacements
votes: 3
Option 12: Linda Ronstadt
votes: 1
Option 13: Cat Stevens
votes: 6
Option 14: Link Wray
votes: 2
Option 15: Yes
votes: 11
Option 16: The Zombies
votes: 3
Yesterday the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced the nominations for their class of 2014. Here's a quick blurb on each of the band from Cleveland.com:
http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/index.ssf/2013/10/rock_and_roll_hall_of_fame_cla.html (http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/index.ssf/2013/10/rock_and_roll_hall_of_fame_cla.html)
While I doubt anyone cares who gets in; that doesn't mean we can't argue about it. This is Languish after all. :bowler:
Peter Gabriel, Nirvana and NWA stand out.
Peter Gabriel is not a band ;) but he should definitely be in.
I'm a big fan of both NWA and LL Cool J, but I don't think either should be in the Rock and Roll HoF.
Nirvana, Deep Purple, and write-in for Tom Petty.
Quote from: sbr on October 17, 2013, 02:44:02 PM
I'm a big fan of both NWA and LL Cool J, but I don't think either should be in the Rock and Roll HoF.
Cleveland should have followed the Village Voice's lead and called it the "Pazz and Jop Hall of Fame" so we don't have to hear this same argument each and every year.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 17, 2013, 02:27:34 PM
Peter Gabriel, Nirvana and NWA stand out.
Peter Gabriel,
Nirvana Deep Purple and NWA stand out.
Kiss, Cat, and Yes. :)
I've never even heard of the Meters, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band or Link Wray.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 17, 2013, 03:05:45 PM
I've never even heard of the Meters, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band or Link Wray.
You probably know the Meters' front man, Art Neville, from The Neville Brothers.
KISS
Write-in for Milli Vanilli. :P
Thought I heard on the radio that Nirvana already was inducted this year... :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on October 17, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
Write-in for Milli Vanilli. :P
Girl, you know it's true.
Quote from: Liep on October 17, 2013, 03:29:29 PM
Thought I heard on the radio that Nirvana already was inducted this year... :hmm:
Rush, Heart, Randy Newman (:yucky:), Public Enemy, Donna Summer and Albert King were 2013's inductees.
I think 2014 is the first year Nirvana is eligible; it's been 25 years since their first major release, "Bleach."
Good for Heart.
Nirvana is a shoe-in. Of the others I voted for Yes, Hall and Oates, Deep Purple, and KISS.
Quote from: Savonarola on October 17, 2013, 02:52:28 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 17, 2013, 02:44:02 PM
I'm a big fan of both NWA and LL Cool J, but I don't think either should be in the Rock and Roll HoF.
Cleveland should have followed the Village Voice's lead and called it the "Pazz and Jop Hall of Fame" so we don't have to hear this same argument each and every year.
I don't pay much attention to the Rock and Roll HoF so I didn't know (but should have realized) that that was an annual discussion.
How are some of these people even eligible for the Hall of Fame, they are still performing, much less not been retired for 5 years.
Quote from: sbr on October 17, 2013, 03:40:03 PM
I don't pay much attention to the Rock and Roll HoF so I didn't know (but should have realized) that that was an annual discussion.
Usually it's promoted by people who believe that Run-DMC has no place in a "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame but for some reason see no problem in inducting Randy Newman (:yucky:).
QuoteHow are some of these people even eligible for the Hall of Fame, they are still performing, much less not been retired for 5 years.
I believe the criteria is that your first album has to be released 25 years ago.
Quote from: Malthus on October 17, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
Write-in for Milli Vanilli. :P
It is apt that someone did it for them.
Link Wray! :w00t:
Nirvana.
This is actually a pretty good list of nominees; depending on how broad a definition of rock and roll you want to use, almost all of them are at least arguably deserving. We're limited to voting for 5 of them in the poll, though.
With that limit, it seemed to me that there are 4 acts that were obvious choices, based on their influence: The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Peter Gabriel, Nirvana, and NWA. Those aren't necessarily my favorites among the nominees, but they're the ones that had the most historical impact, IMO. For my 5th vote, I went with Deep Purple, though I waffled a good bit on that one and considered several other artists.
Cat Stevens can go eat a dick.
Voted Deep Purple & Nirvana
Quote from: dps on October 17, 2013, 04:55:52 PM
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Peter Gabriel, Nirvana, and NWA. Those aren't necessarily my favorites among the nominees, but they're the ones that had the most historical impact, IMO. For my 5th vote, I went with Deep Purple, though I waffled a good bit on that one and considered several other artists.
Yeah, I'm looking at
historical impact and
innovation as well, which is why I really can't skip over NWA, Nirvana, Hall & Oates, Link Wray and Deep Purple was a close 5th for me as well.
But it's a tight selection.
Historical impact, innovation, Hall & Oates? :huh:
Nirvana, N.W.A. and Kiss
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 17, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
Historical impact, innovation, Hall & Oates? :huh:
You were there. You were a witness. They were fundamental in re-energizing the post-disco radio era with six #1 hits and mainstreaming Philly white guy R and B into modern rock.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
Peter Gabriel is not a band ;) but he should definitely be in.
Peter Gabriel should not be in, but Genesis should. :secret:
Peter Gabriel is good, has a tremendous body of work and is as progressive, multifaceted and artistic as they come, but he's not in the top 5 for this year's list.
Deep Purple, Nirvana, and Yes are absolutes. I wouldn't call them a lock, but they've definitely got the influence to make it through the critic voting. I shudder to say this, but KISS is probably the closest to a lock there, besides Hall and Oates.
Expanding on my previous post, I think it's a little premature to induct Peter Gabriel before inducting Genesis- if he got in, it would entirely be on the merits of So. Hell, I don't even hear Games Without Frontiers on classic rock stations anymore.
I lean toward The Replacements as one because of their impact and influence. They helped keep things alive in the "dead zone" period.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 17, 2013, 07:52:24 PM
Deep Purple, Nirvana, and Yes are absolutes. I wouldn't call them a lock, but they've definitely got the influence to make it through the critic voting.
See, I just don't see Yes as an absolute; they had a few hits, but compared to a lot of other 70s-early 80s prog rock, there were bigger bands out there.
QuoteI shudder to say this, but KISS is probably the closest to a lock there, besides Hall and Oates.
Oh definitely; if this poll were about who you think WILL be inducted, you know it's going to be KISS.
KISS is a no-brainer.
I like their disco song.
DID YOU KNOW PETER CRISS WROTE "BETH" ITS TRUE
Beth :bleeding:
If I could I'd veto Cat Stevens, Yes, KISS and Deep Purple <_< :bleeding:
:mad:
Somebody is the owner of a lonely heart.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 17, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
Somebody is the owner of a lonely heart.
Don't give me the long distance runaround. :mad:
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 17, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
Somebody is the owner of a lonely heart.
You know you were rocking to that shit during the 7th grade dance. Yeah, that dance. You know which one I'm talking about. You wore your new Vans that night, with your favorite Ocean Pacific t-shirt.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2013, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 17, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
Somebody is the owner of a lonely heart.
You know you were rocking to that shit during the 7th grade dance. Yeah, that dance. You know which one I'm talking about. You wore your new Vans that night, with your favorite Ocean Pacific t-shirt.
While wearing a keyboard tie newly purchased from Chess King.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 17, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
If I could I'd veto Cat Stevens, Yes, KISS and Deep Purple <_< :bleeding:
This may be the closest we've ever come to total agreement. :o
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 17, 2013, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 17, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
If I could I'd veto Cat Stevens, Yes, KISS and Deep Purple <_< :bleeding:
This may be the closest we've ever come to total agreement. :o
:o :hug:
Quote from: Caliga on October 17, 2013, 08:27:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 17, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
Somebody is the owner of a lonely heart.
Don't give me the long distance runaround. :mad:
Don't be so harsh; I think somebody just doesn't deal well with Changes.
:angry: Also, fuck you, Yi and Sheilbh. I can understand Yes isn't everbody's bag- hell, I have to be in the mood to listen to them, but you're seriously going to try and say Perfect Strangers and Machine Head don't deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame? Black Sabbath is already in, and Deep Purple took their music as far as Black Sabbath took their sellout.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 17, 2013, 07:49:37 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 17, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
Peter Gabriel is not a band ;) but he should definitely be in.
Peter Gabriel should not be in, but Genesis should. :secret:
Genesis was already inducted 3 years ago.
Quote from: The Larch on October 17, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Genesis was already inducted 3 years ago.
:blush: Oops. My bad. In that case, I rescind my objection, though I still think he just doesn't have the body of work on his own to warrant a Hall of Fame induction. Seriously, when's the last time you heard a Peter Gabriel song that
wasn't either from So or a shitty Disney soundtrack? Shock the Monkey, Games Without Frontiers, and that's it.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 17, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 17, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
Genesis was already inducted 3 years ago.
:blush: Oops. My bad. In that case, I rescind my objection, though I still think he just doesn't have the body of work on his own to warrant a Hall of Fame induction. Seriously, when's the last time you heard a Peter Gabriel song that wasn't either from So or a shitty Disney soundtrack? Shock the Monkey, Games Without Frontiers, and that's it.
Solsbury Hill, Big Time, Biko
Quote from: Savonarola on October 17, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
Solsbury Hill, Big Time, Biko
OK, I'll grant you Solsbury Hill. Big Time's on So, and I don't think I've ever heard Biko outside of my own copies of Melt.
Also WOMAD and evangelising for Kate Bush.
Is she on the list? <_<
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 17, 2013, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 17, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
Solsbury Hill, Big Time, Biko
OK, I'll grant you Solsbury Hill. Big Time's on So, and I don't think I've ever heard Biko outside of my own copies of Melt.
Just listened to Digging in the Dirt.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 17, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
If I could I'd veto Cat Stevens, Yes, KISS and Deep Purple <_< :bleeding:
WTF? <_<
No love for The Meters. :(
I think it's amusing that Chic was sampled by inductees The Beastie Boys and Grandmaster Flash, but isn't in. (Though I wouldn't vote for them in the fan poll.)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 17, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
Historical impact, innovation, Hall & Oates? :huh:
He's out of touch
KISS, NWA, and Nirvana all deserve to get in on their historical impact, let alone their impressive and/or quality of material. The Meters and The Zombies on their ability and level of greatness in my opinion. I think Gabriel and a few others should definitely get in, I'm just not sure if they're first ballot material or worthy of knocking out others when only selecting 5.
If the angry black men would please wait their turn.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/nirvana-kiss-e-street-lead-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fames-2014-class-20131216
QuoteThe Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has officially announced next year's inductees: Nirvana, Kiss, Peter Gabriel, Hall and Oates, Cat Stevens and Linda Ronstadt will all join the class of 2014. The E Street Band will be given the Award for Musical Excellence
:cool:
Bummer that nobody voted for Chic. All of their disco songs kick ass and IIRC Good Times inspired Rapper's Delight, so they might be credited for helping invent hip hop and rap.
edit: I just listened to Rapper's Delight, and Good Times didn't just inspire it... the bass line is lifted directly from Good Times. :)
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2013, 08:03:17 AM
so they might be credited for helping invent hip hop and rap.
Maybe if you're Plastic Man.
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2013, 08:03:17 AM
:cool:
Bummer that nobody voted for Chic. All of their disco songs kick ass and IIRC Good Times inspired Rapper's Delight, so they might be credited for helping invent hip hop and rap.
edit: I just listened to Rapper's Delight, and Good Times didn't just inspire it... the bass line is lifted directly from Good Times. :)
Invent might be a stretch, but they were a large influence; "Good Times" also was heavily sampled in "The Adventure of Grandmaster Flash and the Wheels of Steel."
"might be credited for helping invent" != "invent" :sleep:
QuoteNEW YORK (Reuters) - Flamboyant rockers KISS, singer-songwriter Peter Gabriel, grunge band Nirvana and chart-toppers Hall and Oates entered the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on Thursday but the original KISS quartet did not perform.
Also inducted were country rock star Linda Ronstadt, who suffers from Parkinson's disease and did not attend, and Cat Stevens, the British musician known as Yusuf Islam after converting to Islam and shunning the stage for decades.
The E Street Band, the group behind Bruce Springsteen, was inducted by the rocker through the Award for Musical Excellence.
Two prominent band managers - Brian Epstein for The Beatles until his death in 1967 and the Rolling Stones' Andrew Loog Oldham - rounded out the 2014 roster, each receiving the Ahmet Ertegun Awards for lifetime achievement.
QuoteNirvana Reunite, Kiss Remain Civil at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Evening wraps with Lorde, Kim Gordon, St. Vincent and Joan Jett all fronting Nirvana
by Andy Greene
Rolling Stone
April 11, 2014 3:40 AM ET
It was exactly midnight when Joan Jett walked onstage with the surviving members of Nirvana and tore into the opening chords of "Smells Like Teen Spirit." By that point, the capacity crowd at Brooklyn's Barclays Center had witnessed a long evening full of miraculous moments only possible at the annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony: A beaming Peter Criss threw his arms around his supposed sworn enemy Paul Stanley during Kiss' peaceful reunion, Cat Stevens led an arena full of Kiss and Nirvana fans through a sing-along rendition of "Peace Train," Courtney Love embraced Dave Grohl in a huge bear hug after 20 years of nasty accusations and lawsuits and Bruce Springsteen played with two founding members of the E Street Band for the first time in 40 years.
But nothing could compare to the thrill of watching Joan Jett, Kim Gordon, St. Vincent and Lorde take turns fronting Nirvana. Dave Grohl, Pat Smear and Krist Novoselic hadn't played a Kurt Cobain-penned song together in public since the frontman killed himself 20 years ago, and it's quite easy to imagine they never will again. Jett kicked things off with a wild, thrashed-out "Smells Like Teen Spirit" that had men in tuxedos dancing on their chairs. Sonic Youth's Kim Gordon kept the energy high with a faithful rendition of "Aneurysm" and Annie Clark (St. Vincent) belted out "Lithium." It wrapped up with Lorde's gut-wrenching take on "All Apologies." She was born two and a half years after Cobain died, but she somehow had the wisdom and confidence to deliver those agonizing lyrics.
The evening began a little after 7:00 PM with a speech by Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Chairman Jann Wenner. "We are thrilled to be here tonight in Brooklyn," he said. "As Keith Richards has said so often, at this age we're thrilled to be anywhere. We're here to celebrate our youth, our music and that which keeps us forever young. Rock and roll offers hope and passion and joy and courage and love, a way to understand the world around us, and for so many of us, a way of life."
Peter Asher handed out the first two awards of the night to Beatles manager Brian Epstein and Rolling Stones manager/producer Andrew Loog Oldham. "These are the first two managers ever inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame," he said. "Each of them managed one of the most important ensembles in music history, let alone just rock and roll. And each of whom guided his band from anonymity to global stature, though in very different ways." Epstein died in 1967 and Loog Oldham opted to skip the ceremony, so nobody was on hand to accept their awards.
Next up was Peter Gabriel, who delivered a hypnotic rendition of "Digging In The Dirt" before Chris Martin walked out to induct him. "He brings together sounds from all over the world," said the Coldplay frontman. "At times it feels like he releases music at a snail's pace. But one looks back now and sees this amazing cathedral of song. It was worth the effort and the time that it took. He's always been an innovator and a seeker. He's a curator and an inspirer. He also helped John Cusack get his girlfriend back in the movie Say Anything.
A very grateful Gabriel hoisted the award above his head Cusack-style before his acceptance speech. "Watch out for music," he said. "It should come with a health warning. It can be dangerous. It can make you feel so alive, so connected to the people around you, connected to what you are inside. It can make you think that the world should and could be a much better place. It can also make you very, very happy." He then sat at the piano and duetted with Martin on the 1992 obscurity "Washing of the Water" before bringing out surprise guest Youssou N'Dour for a long, euphoric "In Your Eyes" that brought everyone to their feet.
The vast majority of press leading up to the Hall of Fame centered around the never-ending drama of Kiss, so it was a little surprising to see their big moment come and go so early in the evening, though it did make sense because they were the only inductees in the house that decided not to perform. Longtime Kiss superfan Tom Morello gave a fiery induction speech for his heroes. "Kiss was never a critics' band," he said. "Kiss was a people's band...The first Kiss concert I saw was the single loudest, most cathartic two hours of music I've seen to this day."
Ace Frehley, Peter Criss, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley walked onstage together to thunderous applause, and each of them looked a little choked up by the moment. Simmons spoke first, and, against all odds, was the most concise. "We are humbled to stand on this stage and do what we love doing," he said. "This is a profound moment for all of us. I'm here to say a few kind words about the four knuckleheads who, 40 years ago, got together and decided to put together the kind of band we never saw onstage, critics be damned."
After speaking kindly about his two former bandmates, he yielded the microphone to them. Peter Criss thanked everybody from the group's former managers to their truck drivers, while Frehley rambled a bit since he had trouble reading his own notes without his proper glasses. "I was 13 when I picked up my first guitar," he said. "I always sensed I was going to be into something big. A few years later, there I was. I experienced the Summer of Love."
Stanley has been the most vocal critic of the Hall of Fame in the long buildup to this ceremony, and he used the opportunity to take some parting shots. "The people are speaking to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame," he said. "They want more. They deserve more. They want to be part of the induction. They want to be a part of the nomination [process]. They don't want to be spoon-fed a bunch of choices. The people pay for tickets. The people buy albums. The people who nominate do not."
Any hopes of a surprise Kiss performance were dashed when they walked offstage and Art Garfunkel stepped out to induct Cat Stevens, who now goes by the name Yusuf Islam. "If Paul and I hadn't split up around 1970 there'd be no room on the charts for Cat Stevens to take over," he said. "'Bridge Over Troubled Water had to go away so that Tea for the Tillerman could arrive."
Cat Stevens gave a long speech where he name-checked everybody from Bach to Bo Diddley to Leonard Bernstein and Bob Dylan, even pausing in the middle to ask for a glass of water. He won the crowd right back when he picked up an acoustic guitar and delivered a flawless "Father and Son." He's 65 years old, but since he's taken decades off from touring and lived a very healthy lifestyle, he sounded absolutely amazing. Paul Shaffer and his band then came out for "Wild World" and a rousing "Peace Train" where they got some help from a large choir. It served as a nice preview for the American tour that Yusuf is supposedly plotting for sometime in the near future.
Linda Ronstadt has difficulty traveling due to her ongoing battle with Parkinson's disease, but many of her old friends were on hand to honor her lifetime of work. Glenn Frey delivered the induction speech, highlighting the fact that the Eagles would not exist had she not hired them as her backing group in the early 1970s. "She, more than anyone else," he said, "helped form The Eagles."
Carrie Underwood began the musical tribute with a stirring "Different Drum" and then Bonnie Raitt and Emmylou Harris melded their voices together on a lovely "Blue Bayou." Sheryl Crow was joined by Glenn Frey for "You're No Good," Stevie Nicks channeled Ronstadt on "It's So Easy" and everyone came together to harmonize on "When Will I Be Loved," an Everly Brothers classic that Linda famously covered on her 1974 classic LP Heart Like A Wheel.
People all over the crowd were rocking vintage Springsteen T-shirts, and cries of "Broooce" filled the room before he even walked onstage to induct The E Street Band. Unsurprisingly, he rose to the occasion and spoke movingly about each and every member, giving special attention to the late Danny Federici and Clarence Clemons. "These are the people that built a place called E Street," he said. "We struggled together and sometimes we struggled with one another. We bathed in the glory and often the heartbreaking confusion of our wars together. We enjoyed health and we suffered aging and death together."
Many fans (and band members) were upset when the group wasn't inducted alongside Springsteen back in 1999, and the speech ended with a stunningly honest account of the situation. "A few evenings before my own induction, I stood in my darkened kitchen along with Steve Van Zandt," Springsteen said. "Steve was just returning to the band after a 15-year hiatus. He was petitioning me to push the Hall of Fame to induct all of us together. I listened and the Hall of Fame had its rules and I was proud of my independence.
"We hadn't played together in 10 years. We were somewhat estranged. We were just taking the first small steps of reforming. We didn't know what the future would bring. Perhaps the shadow of some of the old grudges still held some sway. It was a conundrum since we've never been quite fish nor fowl. Steve was quiet, persistent and at the end of our conversation he just said, "Yeah, yeah. I understand. But Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, that's the legend.'"
It was at this point that the carefully plotted running time of the evening fell apart, and the organizers probably began sweating bullets thinking about possible overtime charges. Eleven members of the E Street Band were inducted and each was told to speak for just 30 seconds prior to the ceremony. Original keyboardist David Sancious, who left the group in 1974, spoke first. He talked for six straight minutes. It took nearly 40 minutes for everyone to take their turn, which included incredibly touching tributes to Federici from his son Jason and Clarence from his widow Victoria.
The crowd was getting fidgety near the end, but all was forgiven when they walked over to their instruments. This was a completely unique E Street Band lineup with Vini "Mad Dog" Lopez and Max Weinberg on separate drum kits and Sancious on the organ. They played "E Street Shuffle," "The River" and an epic "Kitty's Back" where nearly everyone got a chance to solo. Sancious was playing music he hadn't touched since the Nixon administration and Lopez got the chance to play a song recorded six years after he left the group. It was all pretty amazing and the perfect way to honor the E Street Band.
Some people saw ?uestlove as a surprising choice to induct Hall & Oates, but the man is a music encyclopedia. Also, nobody knows more about Philly groups than he does. He ran through highlights from their long career, stopping occasionally to sing bits of "She's Gone," "I Can't Go For That" and other hits. "I don't need to list the hits," he said. "We know them all. They single-handedly invented the Carlton dance for black people from the hood...Hall & Oates will cure any known ailment. H20 can heal you. There isn't a person in here that didn't sing along to the songs when they came on the radio."
Perhaps aware of the ticking clock, Hall & Oates kept their speech very short, and even did part of it as a duo. "We've been doing this together for 40 years," said Oates. "Why should we stop now? Also, lucky for you there's only two us." The crowd roared at the reference to the long E Street Band speeches, and they cheered even louder when they kicked into super funky renditions of "She's Gone," "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" and "You Make My Dreams." Hall was annoyed by monitor problems early on and stopped a song after about 30 seconds, but when the situation resolved itself he got in the zone and was simply stunning.
Inevitably, the night wrapped up with Nirvana. Michael Stipe gave the speech. "They were singular, loud and melodic and deeply original," he said. "And that voice, that voice. Kurt, we miss you. I miss you. Nirvana defined a moment, a movement for outsiders, from the fags and the fat girls to the shy nerds and the goth kids in Tennessee and Kentucky, for the rockers to the awkward to the too-smart kids and the bullied. We were a community."
Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic accepted the award alongside Courtney Love and members of Kurt's family. Grohl pointed out that he was the fifth drummer in Nirvana and he sincerely thanked each of his predecessors. "Dale Crover from The Melvins is my absolute drumming hero," he said. "And Chad Channing is somewhere in the house tonight." Novoselic profusely thanked Nirvana's fans. "People stop me every day," he said. "They say, 'Thank you for the music.' When I hear that, that reminds me of Kurt Cobain. I wish he was here tonight. That music means to much to so many people. Kurt was an intense artist. He really connected with a lot of people."
Courtney Love's long history of beef with Dave Grohl and her general Courtney Love-ness made many people think she'd deliver some sort of nutty speech. That turned out to not be the case at all, and she talked for about a minute. "I have a big speech," she said. "But I'm not going to say it. This is my family I'm looking at, all of you. Brother Michael, Brother Krist, Grandma Wendy, Mr. Grohl....David." She then walked over to him and they hugged in one of the most moving moments of the night. "That's it," she said. "I just wish that Kurt was here to see this."
The Joan Jett-led "Smells Like Teen Spirit" sent shockwaves through the arena, and it didn't let up until the end of Lorde's "All Apologies." The entire Nirvana set probably go down as one of the all-time great moments in Hall of Fame history. In a break from tradition, there was no all-star jam at the end. It was a wise choice. What could possibly have topped Nirvana?
NIN, Lou Reed, The Smiths, Kraftwerk and Green Day are among the new class of nominees.
Solid material.
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 07:42:36 AM
NIN, Lou Reed, The Smiths, Kraftwerk and Green Day are among the new class of nominees.
Solid material.
Complete list:
- Green Day
- Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
- Bill Withers
- The Spinners
- The Smiths
- Paul Butterfield Blues Band
- N.W.A.
- War
- Kraftwerk
- Chic
- Stevie Ray Vaughan
- Lou Reed (solo) *Velvet Underground inducted 1996*
- Nine Inch Nails
- Sting (solo) *Police inducted 2003*
- The Marvelettes
Gonna be tough to narrow this group down. All I can tell for sure is that Stevie Ray and N.W.A. are all but guaranteed spots. Lou Reed and Sting are outside chances, since they've already been inducted as members of their bands and it's a close field this year.
Tough choice this year. I'd pick The Smiths, Kraftwerk, NWA and War for my four.
I see Chic has become the Susan Lucci of the R&R HoF.
Last year's list was much better.
Definitely NWA and Kraftwerk. The rest of the field is more open, but I'd pick NIN and Sting, though I'd be willing to switch Sting for Stevie Ray Vaughan.
I think they're going to spread the field out this year. Stevie Ray, The Spinners, NWA and NIN.
Quote from: Syt on October 10, 2014, 10:04:03 AM
Definitely NWA and Kraftwerk. The rest of the field is more open, but I'd pick NIN and Sting, though I'd be willing to switch Sting for Stevie Ray Vaughan.
You'd pick Sting's solo career over The Smiths? :huh:
I'm not overly familiar with The Smiths. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Syt on October 10, 2014, 10:09:53 AM
I'm not overly familiar with The Smiths. :Embarrass:
Don't worry, most people aren't, which is why Sting would get in before they would.
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 10:09:04 AM
You'd pick Sting's solo career over The Smiths? :huh:
I'd pick the Spice Girls over The Smiths. :lol:
The Spinners come from the same Detroit suburb that I used to live in (as does Jazz bassist Ron Carter.) :cool: I'd like to see them get in; but I wouldn't replace anyone my list with them.
The Marvelettes are significant because "Please Mr. Postman" was Motown's first number 1 hit; but I'm not sure that they merit a place in the HoF.
None. Its a pathetic manufactured tourist trap.
Quote from: Tyr on October 10, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
None. Its a pathetic manufactured tourist trap.
It cost Cleveland the Browns.
The Smiths were fairly influential I guess but not in a good way. And not really rock&roll either, although I see NWA is in the mix as well.
Lou Reed did a lot of work outside VU, perhaps not all of it good, but some of it interesting.
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I'm a big fan of both NWA and LL Cool J, but I don't think either should be in the Rock and Roll HoF.
Cleveland should have followed the Village Voice's lead and called it the "Pazz and Jop Hall of Fame" so we don't have to hear this same argument each and every year.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 10, 2014, 01:13:30 PM
The Smiths were fairly influential I guess but not in a good way. And not really rock&roll either,
Cleveland should have followed the Village Voice's lead and called it the "Pazz and Jop Hall of Fame" so we don't have to hear this same argument each and every year.
That's a different argument, though.
Sting??? I thought his solo stuff was shyte.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2014, 01:34:12 PM
Sting??? I thought his solo stuff was shyte.
Yeah, it was. He was by far the most talented member of Police, yet his only decent stuff is from when he was with that band.
The hell is wrong with you people?
Sting's solo stuff is okay, but most isn't even remotely rock.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 10, 2014, 01:13:30 PM
The Smiths were fairly influential I guess but not in a good way. And not really rock&roll either, although I see NWA is in the mix as well.
They were (very arguably) the first recognisably indie (as a genre) band. Pretty positively influential even if you're not a fan.
But yeah, not rock.
Btw, why is Green Day on that list? They aren't too bad, but not exactly groundbreaking.
I had no idea indie was a genre.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2014, 01:53:11 PM
I had no idea indie was a genre.
It isn't, but indie-rock and indie-pop can have a pretty distinct sound compared to their parent genre.
In the UK at least indie is absolutely a genre with its own sound.
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I'm not overly familiar with The Smiths. :Embarrass:
Don't worry, most people aren't, which is why Sting would get in before they would.
I'm torn. I mean Sting is kind of fun but Morrissey is a dick, and like in the bad way.
Quote from: garbon on October 10, 2014, 02:07:08 PM
I'm torn. I mean Sting is kind of fun but Morrissey is a dick, and like in the bad way.
Morrissey has mostly been a dick after The Smiths disintegrated, no? Sure, always been a drama queen, but he is a musician.
The magic of The Smiths is in Johnny Marr.
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
I definitely wouldn't call The Smiths a folk rock band.
I'm thinking of bands like Mumford & Sons, the Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men. Very light and folkish.
The Smiths may have been proto-Alternative, but that was always Rock.
Quote from: Tyr on October 10, 2014, 02:10:11 PM
The magic of The Smiths is in Johnny Marr.
Listening to Marr's new single 'Easy Money' I'm pretty confident in replying: "half of it" to your statement. Sure, still a nice guitar hook, but forgettable vocals and lyrics.
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Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
I definitely wouldn't call The Smiths a folk rock band.
I'm thinking of bands like Mumford & Sons, the Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men. Very light and folkish.
The Smiths may have been proto-Alternative, but that was always Rock.
Wiki notes these 4 bands as the launch of mainstream success for indie rock - The Strokes, The White Stripes, The Hives and The Vines.
I looked up your first two and wiki has them as folk rock / indie folk.
He got old and rich :p
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2014, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
I definitely wouldn't call The Smiths a folk rock band.
I'm thinking of bands like Mumford & Sons, the Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men. Very light and folkish.
The Smiths may have been proto-Alternative, but that was always Rock.
That's indie folk.
Not indie indie.
Ok, well there's no question that the White Stripes and the Strokes are rock bands. I'm not sure why Tyr would posit them as a separate genre. :huh:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2014, 02:18:24 PM
Ok, well there's no question that the White Stripes and the Strokes are rock bands. I'm not sure why Tyr would posit them as a separate genre. :huh:
They're still rock bands even if you define their music as indie rock.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2014, 02:18:24 PM
Ok, well there's no question that the White Stripes and the Strokes are rock bands. I'm not sure why Tyr would posit them as a separate genre. :huh:
Yeah when he says something like indie folk, it seems like "indie" is really just more of a modifier on various genres.
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Quote from: Tyr on October 10, 2014, 02:10:11 PM
The magic of The Smiths is in Johnny Marr.
Listening to Marr's new single 'Easy Money' I'm pretty confident in replying: "half of it" to your statement. Sure, still a nice guitar hook, but forgettable vocals and lyrics.
I think of Morrissey and Marr as similar to Lou Reed and John Cale; people with very different musical visions who could (somehow) work together and create something much more than their individual talents supplied.
Rock.....These days it kind of carries connotations of 80s style long hair, unfashionable stuff. Very much towards the heavier side of the spectrum, much more so than the Strokes or the White Stripes. Though yes, by traditional definitions a lot of indie bands are also rock.
Indie is a very expansive genre. Pretty much means whatever the NME and the like love to go on about.
I'm not just making this up. Maybe its an Atlantic divide thing. But indie is very much seen as a kind of music in Britain.
Any band with a guitar, a bass guitar and drums is probably gonna fall under "Rock" even if they sound nothing like Van Halen.
Also a North Sea divide then.
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
Also a North Sea divide then.
Yeah rock is a pretty expansive term here. Both Garbage and No Doubt are rock bands.
Quote from: Tyr on October 10, 2014, 02:23:13 PM
Rock.....These days it kind of carries connotations of 80s style long hair, unfashionable stuff. Very much towards the heavier side of the spectrum, much more so than the Strokes or the White Stripes. Though yes, by traditional definitions a lot of indie bands are also rock.
Indie is a very expansive genre. Pretty much means whatever the NME and the like love to go on about.
I'm not just making this up. Maybe its an Atlantic divide thing. But indie is very much seen as a kind of music in Britain.
Don't use Yi as a barometer on pop culture knowledge, please. The guy's been channel-flipping through life for decades.