QuoteS&M, sex take center stage in Bashara case
The details of an alleged secret sex life of a successful developer accused of slaying his wife are coming to light in a Michigan courtroom this week.
Prosecutors say Bob Bashara killed his wife, Jane Bashara, so he could maintain his sadomasochistic fantasies and multiple mistresses.
Jane Bashara's body was found on January 25, 2012, in the back seat of her SUV. Her body was bruised, and she had been strangled to death. An autopsy showed that she had broken fingernails and bruising that indicated she fought back.
Prosecutors are presenting part of their case this week as a preliminary hearing. They are trying to show they have enough evidence to go forward with a trial against Bashara in the death of his wife. Bashara is charged with first-degree murder, and if convicted, he is facing life in prison. In Michigan, the death penalty is not an option.
Prosecutors called Stan Brue, a special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to the stand Tuesday to testify about sexually explicit texts found on Bashara's cell phone, which were sent to someone other than his wife.
One text sent to an Oregon phone number said, "Kneel and know you are mine. You can, but feel my whip."
Prosecutors also called one of Bashara's former business associates to the stand Monday to testify about how Bashara had introduced him to the BDSM -- bondage, discipline and sadomasochism -- lifestyle.
Robert John Godard said he knew Bashara had a dungeon in the basement of one his businesses. He also said Bashara had a mistress named Rachel Gillette, who he called a "slave."
Godard said Bashara "cared for Rachel very much. They were going to make a life together."
Bashara's relationship with his wife eventually started to deteriorate because of his BDSM lifestyle and his relationship with his mistress, according to Godard.
"We were having lunch one day and he asked me if I knew anybody who could put a hurt on somebody," said Godard. "I said I didn't know anybody."
Testimony in the case continues Wednesday.
I saw that HLN had a segment on this landmark case. Like all crucial matters of jurisprudence it involves kinky sex and murder. Unfortunately Bashara, his mistress, his wife and his handyman are all middle-aged and not all that attractive; so this cannot be 24-7 court TV. Even a sex dungeon cannot undo the damage of the years. :(
Hey. Nothing wrong with middle age. :mad:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2013, 07:05:17 PM
Hey. Nothing wrong with middle age. :mad:
:( yes there is....my back hurts.
My back hurts, my hip hurts and my beard is gray.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2013, 07:05:17 PM
Hey. Nothing wrong with middle age. :mad:
There is for the people in question in this case.
So, was he upset that his wife was going to leave him...?
Bitches be snitches.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2013, 07:05:17 PM
Hey. Nothing wrong with middle age. :mad:
:secret: he means the women too
Here's Bob and Rachel in happier days:
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The mistress:
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The Handyman:
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While murdering your spouse is perfectly acceptable for a media phenomenon; being old and plain is not. For this reason this trial is never going to fill the public conscience to the brim and linger to the very moment the next tabloid murder trial begins.
Quote from: Savonarola on September 10, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
Unfortunately Bashara, his mistress, his wife and his handyman are all middle-aged and not all that attractive; so this cannot be 24-7 court TV. Even a sex dungeon cannot undo the damage of the years. :(
Yeah, the ugly, elderly and infirm take all the fun out of BDSM sex trials.
But that's the ironicalness paradox of BDSM; it's an acquired taste that takes a long time to develop and nurture, like a delicate, latex-encased flower. That's why, with some exceptions, so many women don't really get into it until the emotional and sexual maturity of their 30s and 40s.
Shit, can't even begin to tell you the fucking hoops of international arms control negotiations I had to jump through to convince my high school girlfriend to :youwanttodowhat: :ballgag: :hotwheelstracks:
That's why BDSM should be put to sleep. Its practitioners are depressing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 10, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
Unfortunately Bashara, his mistress, his wife and his handyman are all middle-aged and not all that attractive; so this cannot be 24-7 court TV. Even a sex dungeon cannot undo the damage of the years. :(
Yeah, the ugly, elderly and infirm take all the fun out of BDSM sex trials.
But that's the ironicalness paradox of BDSM; it's an acquired taste that takes a long time to develop and nurture, like a delicate, latex-encased flower. That's why, with some exceptions, so many women don't really get into it until the emotional and sexual maturity of their 30s and 40s.
Shit, can't even begin to tell you the fucking hoops of international arms control negotiations I had to jump through to convince my high school girlfriend to :youwanttodowhat: :ballgag: :hotwheelstracks:
And the poor girl's been in therapy for the last twenty years.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 09:49:44 PM
And the poor girl's been in therapy for the last twenty years.
She earned it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 10, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
Unfortunately Bashara, his mistress, his wife and his handyman are all middle-aged and not all that attractive; so this cannot be 24-7 court TV. Even a sex dungeon cannot undo the damage of the years. :(
Yeah, the ugly, elderly and infirm take all the fun out of BDSM sex trials.
But that's the ironicalness paradox of BDSM; it's an acquired taste that takes a long time to develop and nurture, like a delicate, latex-encased flower. That's why, with some exceptions, so many women don't really get into it until the emotional and sexual maturity of their 30s and 40s.
Shit, can't even begin to tell you the fucking hoops of international arms control negotiations I had to jump through to convince my high school girlfriend to :youwanttodowhat: :ballgag: :hotwheelstracks:
And the poor girl's been in therapy for the last twenty years.
She should get the fuck over herself.
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
That's why BDSM should be put to sleep. Its practitioners are depressing.
Yeah.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
My back hurts, my hip hurts and my beard is gray.
Unlikely, she's still in Junior High.
QuoteBashara's ex-lovers testify about lies, secret sexual lifestyle
Robert Bashara had plans for a new life.
Already carrying on with a mistress and living an alternative sexual lifestyle, he wanted to bring another woman into his life — one who would live with him and his secret girlfriend in a home he intended to buy.
He told the women he was divorced. But that was a lie.
According to testimony in court Thursday, Bashara was planning his new life when his wife, Jane Bashara, went missing on Jan. 24, 2012. The next day, the Grosse Pointe Park mother was found strangled in her SUV, which had been left on Detroit's east side. An assistant Wayne County medical examiner testified this week that Jane Bashara suffered blunt-force trauma and her trachea was crushed.
Bashara is facing first-degree murder and other charges in connection with the death of his wife. His preliminary examination continues today.
On Thursday, new details about Bashara's plans and his secret BDSM lifestyle — bondage, discipline, sadomasochism — were revealed as his former mistress and an Oregon woman he propositioned to live with them took the stand.
Janet Leehmann, from Oregon, testified she met Bashara on an alternative lifestyle website. He told her he was divorced and sent her presents, including a gift certificate to Olive Garden restaurants and a dirty T-shirt, which he wanted her to wear.
"This is my shirt that I have worn next to my body for 3 days," Bashara wrote in a letter to Leehmann. "It is my scent," he wrote, adding he wanted her to sleep in the shirt.
Bashara's former mistress, Rachel Gillett, with whom he was planning to buy a house, also testified. She said Bashara repeatedly lied to her — first about being a widower and later about getting divorced — but every time she tried to end the relationship, he lured her back in.
She described the couple's lifestyle, saying she was the "slave" and Bashara was her "master."
During the hearing, 36th District Court Judge Kenneth King scolded Bashara, who he believed was trying to have nonverbal communication with Gillett by patting his hand to his heart. Bashara said he had a rash on his chest.
Gillett testified that in August 2009, she moved into an apartment in one of Bashara's properties. In the basement he had a sex dungeon, where Gillett met him about twice a week, she said.
During the course of their affair, Gillett testified, she tried to break up with Bashara several times. In one e-mail, she said she was "not the other-woman type." Gillett read Bashara's response, in which he said his relationship with his wife was "over."
Bashara told her she was "collared" to him, she said. Gillett testified that he meant she was his.
Gillett testified that Bashara would come to her house and cry when she tried to end the relationship. Once, when she came home, he was sitting in a lawn chair, blocking her door, she said.
In an e-mail he sent in 2010, Bashara told Gillett he was ready to make a "life-changing" event for her. She read the message in court.
"I am here and I will not release you," Bashara wrote. "I am your man, and you are my woman."
In June 2011, Gillett testified, Bashara told her he was divorced.
The pair had started planning to buy a house together and began talking about bringing another person into their relationship. Gillett testified that she agreed to this because she "thought it would stop him from cheating."
They eventually began talking to Leehmann in Oregon.
Leehmann testified that Bashara came to see her in January 2012. She said that, during his visit, Bashara spent a lot of time on the phone. Once, Leehmann testified, she overheard him tell someone: "I want this done, I want it done this weekend."
Leehmann testified that she asked who he was talking to and Bashara said, "a handyman."
Gillett testified that she and Bashara made arrangements to close on a house in late January 2012. But when she asked to see Bashara's divorce papers on Jan. 20, he came up with excuses why he couldn't show them to her, Gillett testified.
On Jan. 24, 2012, Bashara came to her workplace and the two had lunch. That night, Jane Bashara went missing. Gillett testified that Bashara was distraught. She said he was concerned about being blamed for his wife's disappearance and told her to contact Leehmann and tell her to stop communication.
Gillett testified that after Jane Bashara's body was found the next day, Bashara told her his wife was dead and asked her to come to his house, saying there were several people gathered there and that "nobody would notice." Gillett testified that she didn't go.
Bashara also asked her to come to a candlelight vigil, which Gillett said she attended.
Gillett said it was late January 2012 when she first heard the name Joseph Gentz on the news. Gentz — Bashara's former handyman — told authorities he killed Jane Bashara at her husband's direction.
Gentz, who pleaded guilty to second-degree murder, said Bashara offered him money to kill his wife and threatened him if he didn't go through with it. A forensic scientist testified Thursday that Gentz could not be excluded as a donor of DNA on Jane Bashara's fingernails.
Bashara, who has maintained he had nothing to do with his wife's death, went to prison after pleading guilty to solicitation of murder for trying to have Gentz killed.
Prosecutors have cited Bashara's alternative lifestyle and the affair with Gillett as motives in Jane Bashara's killing
So are all sadists such crybabies? :unsure:
Cries like a bitch and gives gifts such as Olive Garden gift certificates and dirty laundry? What a catch. :wub:
Mickey Rourke did a bit of blubbering at the end of 9 1/2 Weeks. :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 12, 2013, 09:11:28 PM
Mickey Rourke did a bit of blubbering at the end of 9 1/2 Weeks. :hmm:
Not a catch. :thumbsdown:
Olive Garden gift certs? UNLIMITED BREADSTICKS
Quote from: garbon on September 12, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 12, 2013, 09:11:28 PM
Mickey Rourke did a bit of blubbering at the end of 9 1/2 Weeks. :hmm:
Not a catch. :thumbsdown:
Hell, I'd be crying losing Kim Basinger circa 1986, too. Especially for doing something stupid like pushing the threesome too early. Dummy, you've got to pace that shit.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
Olive Garden gift certs? UNLIMITED BREADSTICKS
Salad too and apparently something with pasta dishes now. So said my sister when she drove across our great nation back to the worst coast.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2013, 09:20:01 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 12, 2013, 09:14:40 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 12, 2013, 09:11:28 PM
Mickey Rourke did a bit of blubbering at the end of 9 1/2 Weeks. :hmm:
Not a catch. :thumbsdown:
Hell, I'd be crying losing Kim Basinger circa 1986, too. Especially for doing something stupid like pushing the threesome too early. Dummy, you've got to pace that shit.
You mean that's not a first date activity? :cry:
Quote from: garbon on September 12, 2013, 09:22:00 PM
You mean that's not a first date activity? :cry:
That's not an eight-year activity. :glare:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 13, 2013, 08:00:10 AM
Prude. :rolleyes:
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Creeper.
Sounds like Max is gonna get something special for his 9th anniversery.
BTW, the people involved being plain wouldn't keep them from making a TV movie about the case--they'd cast much better looking actors and actresses in the parts. I figure Courtney Cox and maybe Scott Caan as Rachel and Bob. Just about any bimbo TV actress could be the mistress, and Ron Perlman could be the handyman (though, in all honesty, I'm not sure he's actually better looking than the real handyman--I'll let the forum gays make that call).
Quote from: dps on September 13, 2013, 10:38:25 AM
BTW, the people involved being plain wouldn't keep them from making a TV movie about the case--they'd cast much better looking actors and actresses in the parts. I figure Courtney Cox and maybe Scott Caan as Rachel and Bob. Just about any bimbo TV actress could be the mistress, and Ron Perlman could be the handyman (though, in all honesty, I'm not sure he's actually better looking than the real handyman--I'll let the forum gays make that call).
In the Lifetime version Rachel would survive and go on to kick Master Bob's ass. :)
And it would be set in Los Angeles; or in a "Detroit" with mountains and palm trees.
The trial was delayed for the final Tigers game; which is fair since the first two games of the series involved brutality than this trial:
QuoteBashara lied about being married, ex-mistress testifies
Prosecutors called her relationship with Bob Bashara "the motive for the crime."
Today, Rachel Gillett, Bashara's former mistress, took the stand and testified about their relationship and plans to make a life together.
Bashara's marital status, though, was a continuous state of friction in their relationship, causing them to repeatedly break up, Gillett testified.
Bashara would tell her: "I have this plan. I'm working on things," she said.
She didn't like that he was married and expressed it to Bashara in words, letters and her behavior, Gillett said.
"There was always something else that had to occur before the divorce could be final," Gillett said at the murder trial of her former lover.
Bashara is accused of directing his former handyman to kill his wife, Jane Bashara, in January 2012.
He participated in BDSM — bondage, discipline, sadomasochism — with Gillett for years before Jane Bashara's death, according to today's testimony.
Bashara told Gillett in emails that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her, and Gillett wanted to get married, too, she said.
In 2010, Bob Bashara gave her a diamond ring. It was a promise ring.
The two would attended dozens of BDSM's parties hosted by Patrick Webb, starting in 2009.
Bashara, Webb said, was always "hush hush" about his private affairs being known and was paranoid over any pictures taken of him.
"He has mentioned that he has to keep these things private from his wife," Webb testified.
Bashara didn't want his home life wrecked by it, and his wife wasn't into the lifestyle, Webb said. Jane Bashara wouldn't understand it or condone it, Webb testified.
Bashara had said he felt trapped and wanted to spend more time with "Slave Rachel," who was submissive in their BDSM lifestyle.
"He wanted to do more in the BDSM community," Webb testified.
Bashara would lie about where he was, one time telling his wife he was golfing instead of at a BDSM party. The possibility of divorce came up at Bashara's dungeon, Webb said.
"Sometimes I think it'd be cheaper to kill the bitch," Webb testified Bashara said.
They were joking around at the time, and Webb thought Bashara was just blowing off steam, he said under cross-examination.
Earlier in the day, Detroit Police Department evidence tech Lori Briggs said she went to the scene on Detroit's east side where Jane Bashara was discovered dead in the back of her black Mercedes SUV in January 2012.
Jane Bashara's body was slumped over in the back seat of the SUV. She had been strangled.
"It appeared that leaves were stuck on her socks," Briggs told jurors as they saw pictures of the scene.
Jane Bashara slippers, which were clean, dry and had no debris on them, were under her on the floor in the back of the SUV.
"One of her fingernails was torn off but still attached," Briggs said. "So it was just kind of hanging there."
The defense has said Gentz is a "weapon on his own without anybody encouraging him."
Lillian Diallo, one of Bashara's attorneys, asked jurors to listen with an open mind and asked them to "judge the facts, not the emotion."
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:27:51 PM
That's why BDSM should be put to sleep. Its practitioners are depressing.
go fuck yourself