Speaking of biased, hello Daily Mail!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415777/Police-fitness-test-biased-favour-fat-male-officers-forces-women-endure-sexist-conditions.html#ixzz2eStzsr8T
QuotePolice fitness test 'is biased in favour of fat male officers' because it prioritises strength and forces women to endure 'sexist' conditions
Fat men have a much better chance of passing a police fitness test than slim women, a scientist has warned.
The 'fat-friendly' test given to new recruits could contribute to the problem of blobby bobbies if extended to serving officers under plans to modernise forces.
Professor Craig Jackson said this could erode public confidence and put officers' lives in danger.
His research found the Gender-neutral Timed Obstacle Course, or GeNTOC, was biased in favour of men.
The Birmingham City University academic said: 'If you are an overweight male officer, it is a shoo-in. If you are a female officer, you are nearly nine times more likely to fail this test than a male candidate.'
He added men found the test – a timed obstacle course with eight challenges – easier than women, regardless of their weight, because they were stronger, faster and had more stamina.
For example, women found it difficult to drag a weighted dummy in a challenge intended to simulate moving a dead body.
Women also fared worse than overweight men in a challenge that involved weaving through gates.
Their passage was hindered by their curves, Professor Jackson said, whereas men tended to carry extra pounds on their bellies rather than their hips.
The occupational health psychologist will tell the British Science Festival in Newcastle that as well as being 'unfit for purpose', the tests were conducted in conditions 'like a sexist meat market', with male candidates wolf-whistling at female colleagues.
'When I've seen this test being applied, it is a little bit like a very sexist meat market,' he added.
'Lots of male officers gather round while the female recruits bounce and jiggle and run around, and they're wolf whistling and clapping - it's quite a sexist environment.
'Maybe get rid of it and go for something more like exam conditions, where females have a little bit more privacy and dignity.'
The GeNTOC, which is already used to test new recruits in some parts of the country, is an assault course that must be completed within 3 minutes and 45 seconds.
Candidates complete three laps of eight challenges, including walking on a beam, crawling, jumping, dragging a heavy dummy and weaving through a series of gates.
If they make a mistake, such as falling off the beam or brushing against one of the gates, they have to go back to the start of that obstacle.
His analysis of the results of more than 1,700 recruits from a large British force found half of those who passed the test were overweight or obese.
Police bodies said the GeNTOC would not form part of the annual fitness tests being introduced for serving officers, but Professor Jackson expects some forces will include it as it is well known and considered a good emulator of frontline activities.
A survey of the Metropolitan Police recently found that 52 per cent of male officers and staff in the Met were overweight, 22 per cent were obese and one per cent were morbidly obese.
This summer, Sergeant Andy Sharp of the Met was dubbed 'Britain's fattest bobby', after pictures emerged of him marshalling crowds at a charity bike ride.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 12:36:41 AM
He added men found the test – a timed obstacle course with eight challenges – easier than women, regardless of their weight, because they were stronger, faster and had more stamina.
LOL. And here I thought he was talking about fat guys.
Have you ever been with a fat guy?
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 01:11:56 AM
Have you ever been with a fat guy?
Every day of my life. Why?
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 01:11:56 AM
Have you ever been with a fat guy?
The double entendre doesn't work so well, as faster and more stamina are no longer traits that go together. :contract:
QuotePolice fitness test 'is biased in favour of fat male officers' because it prioritises strength
That's because the street prioritizes strength.
I've seen a female officer tossed around a bar like a rag doll by her hair. I've had to help a female officer fight to keep her gun in a pile. I've known female officers with hand strength too weak to break the seal on a can of OC spray. Been in a lot of situations with female officers where, if they were by themselves, somebody would be dead: either them, or the suspect they'd be forced to shoot because they fail the continuum of force. Hell, read in the paper not long ago about a female officer that was robbed of her own gun. IN HER CAR.
5'1" 110lbs female officers are at a distinct disadvantage because of a lack of strength, and wind up putting their male counterparts at a disadvantage as well. And in the ER with the injuries to prove it.
QuoteThe occupational health psychologist will tell the British Science Festival in Newcastle that as well as being 'unfit for purpose', the tests were conducted in conditions 'like a sexist meat market', with male candidates wolf-whistling at female colleagues.
'When I've seen this test being applied, it is a little bit like a very sexist meat market,' he added.
'Lots of male officers gather round while the female recruits bounce and jiggle and run around, and they're wolf whistling and clapping - it's quite a sexist environment.
'Maybe get rid of it and go for something more like exam conditions, where females have a little bit more privacy and dignity.'
That's just a sloppy ass lack of basic professionalism. Sounds like an academy commander needs to be reassigned to Quartermaster. Go fold some fucking uniform pants or something.
The public administration school also had a police school attached. The general impression was that the girls looked like out of lingerie catalogs, while the guys looked like they'd be better suited to a wrestling ring than a police uniform.
Also, they were barred from any school parties, because more than once the real police had to clean up their mess.
Still, the rumors were they were a very promiscuous bunch, especially in their own parties, not to mention mixed gender patrol cars.
Holster sniffers.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 12:36:41 AM
Police bodies said the GeNTOC would not form part of the annual fitness tests being introduced for serving officers, but Professor Jackson expects some forces will include it as it is well known and considered a good emulator of frontline activities.
If this is true, then I have no issue with expecting everyone to be able to accomplish the tasks.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 02:34:25 AM
That's because the street prioritizes strength.
I've seen a female officer tossed around a bar like a rag doll by her hair. I've had to help a female officer fight to keep her gun in a pile. I've known female officers with hand strength too weak to break the seal on a can of OC spray. Been in a lot of situations with female officers where, if they were by themselves, somebody would be dead: either them, or the suspect they'd be forced to shoot because they fail the continuum of force. Hell, read in the paper not long ago about a female officer that was robbed of her own gun. IN HER CAR.
5'1" 110lbs female officers are at a distinct disadvantage because of a lack of strength, and wind up putting their male counterparts at a disadvantage as well. And in the ER with the injuries to prove it.
I've always wondered about that. I understand and appreciate the advantage of having a diverse police force, but there still has to be standards set that will keep everyone safe. If women are to be on the force, they have to pass the basic tests. Otherwise, they need to stay in-house at the desks.
QuoteThat's just a sloppy ass lack of basic professionalism. Sounds like an academy commander needs to be reassigned to Quartermaster. Go fold some fucking uniform pants or something.
I thought about that, but then I thought about how the guys probably harass one another on the field, too. I doubt it's just the women who get cat-calls and the like. I'm sure it's not the same thing, and I'd probably be the first to bitch, but I also don't think it's the worst thing that will happen to them while they're on the streets, either. Unprofessional and should stop, yes. A huge deal? Not really.
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 07:10:44 AM
I thought about that, but then I thought about how the guys probably harass one another on the field, too. I doubt it's just the women who get cat-calls and the like. I'm sure it's not the same thing, and I'd probably be the first to bitch, but I also don't think it's the worst thing that will happen to them while they're on the streets, either. Unprofessional and should stop, yes. A huge deal? Not really.
Cops are going to be cops, but either you're a professional organization or you're not. I'll call you Sugar Tits all day on Languish, but I wouldn't allow that bullshit in a rank-structured environment. It's a police agency, not a nightclub.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 07:15:00 AM
Cops are going to be cops, but either you're a professional organization or you're not. I'll call you Sugar Tits all day on Languish, but I wouldn't allow that bullshit in a rank-structured environment. It's a police agency, not a nightclub.
No, that'll get you slapped. With a hobnailed boot. To the throat.
I was more thinking of the wolf-whistles and cat-calls. I've watched guys harassing one another in football drills. I can't imagine that it's a whole lot worse than that.
Who hijacked Meri's account in this thread?
:)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 10, 2013, 02:32:24 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 01:11:56 AM
Have you ever been with a fat guy?
The double entendre doesn't work so well, as faster and more stamina are no longer traits that go together. :contract:
There are other definitions that one can apply to fast and or stamina.
Quote from: Syt on September 10, 2013, 02:44:20 AM
The public administration school also had a police school attached. The general impression was that the girls looked like out of lingerie catalogs, while the guys looked like they'd be better suited to a wrestling ring than a police uniform.
Also, they were barred from any school parties, because more than once the real police had to clean up their mess.
Still, the rumors were they were a very promiscuous bunch, especially in their own parties, not to mention mixed gender patrol cars.
The Police trainee at my school were mostly pretty cute altho all a bunch of bitches.
Quote from: dps on September 10, 2013, 07:17:53 AM
Who hijacked Meri's account in this thread?
She has always had this opinion. She just wants people treated fairly. I mean...presuming you were not being sarcastic or something.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 02:34:25 AM
QuotePolice fitness test 'is biased in favour of fat male officers' because it prioritises strength
That's because the street prioritizes strength.
I've seen a female officer tossed around a bar like a rag doll by her hair. I've had to help a female officer fight to keep her gun in a pile. I've known female officers with hand strength too weak to break the seal on a can of OC spray. Been in a lot of situations with female officers where, if they were by themselves, somebody would be dead: either them, or the suspect they'd be forced to shoot because they fail the continuum of force. Hell, read in the paper not long ago about a female officer that was robbed of her own gun. IN HER CAR.
5'1" 110lbs female officers are at a distinct disadvantage because of a lack of strength, and wind up putting their male counterparts at a disadvantage as well. And in the ER with the injuries to prove it.
But that's the thing - does "the street" really prioritize sheer strength?
I won't deny it - a 5'1" 110lb female officer is at a distinct disadvantage if it comes to a physical brawl. We have some of those over here as well, and I've seen a couple files where things would have gone differently if the officer on scene was a hulking male.
But how often do those kinds of brawls happen? Pretty infrequently or even rarely. For 99% of their time, even 99.9% of their time, sheer physical strength isn't important. And instead there are tremendous advantages to having a diverse police force. From the purely practical (need female officers to search female prisoners), to investigative (a female officer may be much more likely to get the rape victim to talk).
How do you square that circle? I dunno. But there are competing objectives.
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 11:18:26 AM
But that's the thing - does "the street" really prioritize sheer strength?
I won't deny it - a 5'1" 110lb female officer is at a distinct disadvantage if it comes to a physical brawl. We have some of those over here as well, and I've seen a couple files where things would have gone differently if the officer on scene was a hulking male.
But how often do those kinds of brawls happen? Pretty infrequently or even rarely. For 99% of their time, even 99.9% of their time, sheer physical strength isn't important. And instead there are tremendous advantages to having a diverse police force. From the purely practical (need female officers to search female prisoners), to investigative (a female officer may be much more likely to get the rape victim to talk).
How do you square that circle? I dunno. But there are competing objectives.
And 99% of the time, an officer doesn't draw their gun. When they do, I want to know that they can hit what they're aiming for.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2013, 10:42:13 AM
Quote from: dps on September 10, 2013, 07:17:53 AM
Who hijacked Meri's account in this thread?
She has always had this opinion. She just wants people treated fairly. I mean...presuming you were not being sarcastic or something.
Don't confuse them, Valmy.
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 11:18:26 AM
But that's the thing - does "the street" really prioritize sheer strength?
I won't deny it - a 5'1" 110lb female officer is at a distinct disadvantage if it comes to a physical brawl. We have some of those over here as well, and I've seen a couple files where things would have gone differently if the officer on scene was a hulking male.
But how often do those kinds of brawls happen? Pretty infrequently or even rarely. For 99% of their time, even 99.9% of their time, sheer physical strength isn't important. And instead there are tremendous advantages to having a diverse police force. From the purely practical (need female officers to search female prisoners), to investigative (a female officer may be much more likely to get the rape victim to talk).
How do you square that circle? I dunno. But there are competing objectives.
And 99% of the time, an officer doesn't draw their gun. When they do, I want to know that they can hit what they're aiming for.
99.9% of the time an officer draws their firearm, they don't fire it. Cops can go their entire career without discharging their firearm.
But that being said - basic marksmanship is a teachable skill, and is something every recruit can learn. It's not something innate like physical size is.
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 12:56:31 PM
99.9% of the time an officer draws their firearm, they don't fire it. Cops can go their entire career without discharging their firearm.
But that being said - basic marksmanship is a teachable skill, and is something every recruit can learn. It's not something innate like physical size is.
My point is that when it's necessary, I want to know that the officer can do the job. That's my community at stake, and I don't think it's unfair to ask that the officer meets the bare minimum requirements.
What I require, however, is that it is truly the
bare minimum requirements to do the job, not some arbitrary physical fitness scheme that has nothing to do with the job. In this particular case, it sounds as though most believe that it is actually what's necessary to do the job.
That being said, I also have no problem with two-tier police forces, either. Meet Physical Standards = street duty. Does Not Meet Physical Standards = desk duty.
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 12:56:31 PM
99.9% of the time an officer draws their firearm, they don't fire it. Cops can go their entire career without discharging their firearm.
But that being said - basic marksmanship is a teachable skill, and is something every recruit can learn. It's not something innate like physical size is.
My point is that when it's necessary, I want to know that the officer can do the job. That's my community at stake, and I don't think it's unfair to ask that the officer meets the bare minimum requirements.
What I require, however, is that it is truly the bare minimum requirements to do the job, not some arbitrary physical fitness scheme that has nothing to do with the job. In this particular case, it sounds as though most believe that it is actually what's necessary to do the job.
That being said, I also have no problem with two-tier police forces, either. Meet Physical Standards = street duty. Does Not Meet Physical Standards = desk duty.
But what are the "bare minimum requirements to do the job"? As I mentioned, having female officers is a requirement for any modern police force. But is it a "bare minimum requirement" to be able to dead lift a 200lb body?
There is a heavy movement to not have uniformed officers doing "desk duty". Cops are paid a lot of money, and receive a lot of training. They want uniformed officers on the street, and less highly paid civillian employees doing anything that could be considered "desk duty".
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 01:14:29 PM
But what are the "bare minimum requirements to do the job"? As I mentioned, having female officers is a requirement for any modern police force. But is it a "bare minimum requirement" to be able to dead lift a 200lb body?
I presume that being able to lift a certain amount would be required. How much? I'm not sure. That would be something for the police to work out based on what they feel is most appropriate. It may be that having to heave a 200-pound person happens once a month. Well, then that's a requirement.
It's no different than saying that someone has to be able to work an adding machine at my job. I may only have to do it twice a month, but when it has to be done, I have to have the knowledge and capability to do so. Only, it's a lot more important when you're talking about police because people, things, and communities are directly affected by an officer not able to do their job. I want to know that I'm safe because the person behind the badge can do what's needs doing.
This whole idea that women can't be strong enough is ludicrous, anyway. It's HARDER for them to do it, but it's not impossible. Fireman-lifting a 200-pound body may be impossible for a 100-pound waif, but then she oughta' get her ass to the gym. If it's what she wants to do, then she's going to have to work for it, just like the guys did.
QuoteThere is a heavy movement to not have uniformed officers doing "desk duty". Cops are paid a lot of money, and receive a lot of training. They want uniformed officers on the street, and less highly paid civillian employees doing anything that could be considered "desk duty".
Okay.
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 11:18:26 AM
But that's the thing - does "the street" really prioritize sheer strength?
I won't deny it - a 5'1" 110lb female officer is at a distinct disadvantage if it comes to a physical brawl. We have some of those over here as well, and I've seen a couple files where things would have gone differently if the officer on scene was a hulking male.
But how often do those kinds of brawls happen? Pretty infrequently or even rarely. For 99% of their time, even 99.9% of their time, sheer physical strength isn't important.
Luckily for officers in urban departments, it's very rare to respond to an in-progress incident by yourself; in cities like Baltimore, another sector car could be two blocks away and arrive at the same time. But people would be surprised how much tussling you do in a week.
QuoteAnd instead there are tremendous advantages to having a diverse police force. From the purely practical (need female officers to search female prisoners), to investigative (a female officer may be much more likely to get the rape victim to talk).
How do you square that circle? I dunno. But there are competing objectives.
Of course there's a need for a diverse police force; it should represent the community it serves. And I'm not making a blanket statement about all female officers; I've know plenty that could bring a defensive end to tears very quickly, and the MSP has no problem with female troopers out in the middle of nowhere with backup a long 5 minutes away. I just don't buy the article's premise from the critics that the physical exam is unjustly tilted towards strength. In the end, it needs to be.
Granted, I did more running than brawling (and usually it was running back to the fucking car) but in the end you've still got to have the ass for the end of the chase, regardless of how much training you've got in DT. Teen drug dealers and junkie shoplifters tend to get all squirmy and shit.
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
It's no different than saying that someone has to be able to work an adding machine at my job. I may only have to do it twice a month, but when it has to be done, I have to have the knowledge and capability to do so.
Adding machine? Do you work in an office from 1973?
:huh: Adding machines have big buttons and don't strain the eyes. What do you want her to use?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
It's no different than saying that someone has to be able to work an adding machine at my job. I may only have to do it twice a month, but when it has to be done, I have to have the knowledge and capability to do so.
Adding machine? Do you work in an office from 1973?
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I like the ones from the 50's.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 01:42:23 PM
It's no different than saying that someone has to be able to work an adding machine at my job. I may only have to do it twice a month, but when it has to be done, I have to have the knowledge and capability to do so.
Adding machine? Do you work in an office from 1973?
:yeahright:
I work in billing. What, exactly, should I be using to tally up accounts?
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
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Yeah, that looks a lot like mine, actually. :)
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
:yeahright:
I work in billing. What, exactly, should I be using to tally up accounts?
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Yeah, that looks a lot like mine, actually. :)
Accounting software on a computer.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
:yeahright:
I work in billing. What, exactly, should I be using to tally up accounts?
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Yeah, that looks a lot like mine, actually. :)
Accounting software on a computer.
Great. :mellow:
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
I work in billing. What, exactly, should I be using to tally up accounts?
Excel? Special software? I may be missing the nuance of billing work, but it sounds to me that if you have to manually input numbers to do the calculations, then you're missing a process improvement or ten that could really save you time and errors.
How would Excel save any key strokes?
Makes it easier to troubleshoot when she makes a mistake.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 10, 2013, 08:14:08 PM
Makes it easier to troubleshoot when she makes a mistake.
How so? Numbers don't add up on the machine, i have to look through the tape. Numbers don't add up on Excel, I have to look through the cells.
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 11:18:26 AM
But that's the thing - does "the street" really prioritize sheer strength?
I won't deny it - a 5'1" 110lb female officer is at a distinct disadvantage if it comes to a physical brawl. We have some of those over here as well, and I've seen a couple files where things would have gone differently if the officer on scene was a hulking male.
But how often do those kinds of brawls happen? Pretty infrequently or even rarely. For 99% of their time, even 99.9% of their time, sheer physical strength isn't important. And instead there are tremendous advantages to having a diverse police force. From the purely practical (need female officers to search female prisoners), to investigative (a female officer may be much more likely to get the rape victim to talk).
How do you square that circle? I dunno. But there are competing objectives.
But it's that .1% that really matters, that's life and death.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Accounting software on a computer.
And how do I reconcile the accounts?
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 08:24:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Accounting software on a computer.
And how do I reconcile the accounts?
Someone will be along in a while, to tell you they run and view their entire life through the prism of excel spreadsheets. :D
Quote from: mongers on September 10, 2013, 08:29:36 PM
Someone will be along in a while, to tell you they run and view their entire life through the prism of excel spreadsheets. :D
We use those, too. :smarty:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 10, 2013, 08:09:04 PM
How would Excel save any key strokes?
Numbers have to come from somewhere before they need to be added up. It's easier to automatically or semi-automatically link that "somewhere" to an Excel workbook rather than a calculator.
I'd like to bludgeon DGuller with
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:28:36 PM
I'd like to bludgeon DGuller with
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:huh: That thing doesn't even have plus or minus signs on it.
"Plus" is imbedded in the adding process by default. You want "minus", put it in reverse, Rain Man.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:32:40 PM
"Plus" is imbedded in the adding process by default. You want "minus", put it in reverse, Rain Man.
:hmm: No wonder you want to bludgeon people with that thing. That's the only thing it's good for.
Shit, we accidentally awoke the crazy cat lady luddite. :(
If it ain't old and useless with a cat pawprint on it, he ain't having it.
We won WW2 with more primitive shit.
I wonder if it's Parkinson's Law of bureaucracy, the more we develop systems to process information quickly and efficiently, the more bullshit admin work we create to make use of it. At least, it seems that way in the government realm.
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
I work in billing. What, exactly, should I be using to tally up accounts?
If I worked in billing, I would shoot myself. I get enough stupid billing questions from clients as it is.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 10, 2013, 09:47:48 PM
We won WW2 with more primitive shit.
We also found gays to be security risks back then because we made it so dreadful to be openly homosexual. Yay?
Quote from: derspiess on September 10, 2013, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
I work in billing. What, exactly, should I be using to tally up accounts?
If I worked in billing, I would shoot myself. I get enough stupid billing questions from clients as it is.
I hate whenever they get me involved in billing. No thank you!
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 10, 2013, 09:47:48 PM
We won WW2 with more primitive shit.
We also found gays to be security risks back then because we made it so dreadful to be openly homosexual. Yay?
"Back then"? As in, 2007?
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 10, 2013, 08:09:04 PM
How would Excel save any key strokes?
Numbers have to come from somewhere before they need to be added up. It's easier to automatically or semi-automatically link that "somewhere" to an Excel workbook rather than a calculator.
Except that none - yes, NONE - of our software can be uploaded to an Excel workbook. It would all have to be done by hand, whether it's done with Excel or an adding machine.
Most of the time, I use the adding machine for the easier crap. If it's really complicated, I use Excel. That's not common.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 10, 2013, 09:47:48 PM
We won WW2 with more primitive shit.
We also found gays to be security risks back then because we made it so dreadful to be openly homosexual. Yay?
"Back then"? As in, 2007?
Fair -_-
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 10, 2013, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
I work in billing. What, exactly, should I be using to tally up accounts?
If I worked in billing, I would shoot myself. I get enough stupid billing questions from clients as it is.
I hate whenever they get me involved in billing. No thank you!
Yer welcome! :)
The billing stuff I don't mind so much. It's the damn customer service folks that drive me insane.
"What do you mean that we can't just reinstate them? It's only been six months! They've offered to pay half of the backpay, and will pay the rest next week!" :frusty:
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 10, 2013, 09:47:48 PM
We won WW2 with more primitive shit.
We also found gays to be security risks back then because we made it so dreadful to be openly homosexual. Yay?
It was a better time.
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 10, 2013, 08:09:04 PM
How would Excel save any key strokes?
Numbers have to come from somewhere before they need to be added up. It's easier to automatically or semi-automatically link that "somewhere" to an Excel workbook rather than a calculator.
Except that none - yes, NONE - of our software can be uploaded to an Excel workbook. It would all have to be done by hand, whether it's done with Excel or an adding machine.
Most of the time, I use the adding machine for the easier crap. If it's really complicated, I use Excel. That's not common.
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
:secret: That's what none means. :secret:
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
:secret: That's what none means. :secret:
Well, you were talking about "software being uploaded into Excel workbook", which means nothing other than that the person saying it is not a data flow expert, so I wanted to clarify and confirm.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
:secret: That's what none means. :secret:
Well, you were talking about "software being uploaded into Excel workbook", which means nothing other than that the person saying it is not a data flow expert, so I wanted to clarify and confirm.
:mellow:
Fuck off, dick.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
:secret: That's what none means. :secret:
Well, you were talking about "software being uploaded into Excel workbook", which means nothing other than that the person saying it is not a data flow expert, so I wanted to clarify and confirm.
Looks like you could make some money consulting.
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
:secret: That's what none means. :secret:
Well, you were talking about "software being uploaded into Excel workbook", which means nothing other than that the person saying it is not a data flow expert, so I wanted to clarify and confirm.
:mellow:
Fuck off, dick.
What an eloquent, yet biting put-down.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
:secret: That's what none means. :secret:
Well, you were talking about "software being uploaded into Excel workbook", which means nothing other than that the person saying it is not a data flow expert, so I wanted to clarify and confirm.
:mellow:
Fuck off, dick.
What an eloquent, yet biting put-down.
An appropriate one.
Not really, although I can see what you would not see that. For someone who complains about being dogpiled, Meri sure has a way to take a completely innocuous discussion and put some utterly unprovoked snark in it. Then she's all shocked that the target of unprovoked snark is a little put off by it.
Not one CdM joke with a title like this?
We've all failed Languish. :(
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
Not really, although I can see what you would not see that. For someone who complains about being dogpiled, Meri sure has a way to take a completely innocuous discussion and put some utterly unprovoked snark in it. Then she's all shocked that the target of unprovoked snark is a little put off by it.
Yeah but you always are just waiting to be a jerk on any topic so...
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2013, 11:18:13 PM
Not one CdM joke with a title like this?
We've all failed Languish. :(
I can't recall any fat jokes about Seedy ever. Probably because he's not Mexican.
But he is a former cop who complains about his health, and fat cop jokes are a dime a dozen.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 11, 2013, 12:38:56 AM
But he is a former cop who complains about his health, and fat cop jokes are a dime a dozen.
That's probably it, we prefer our jokes to be worth at least a nickel.
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
Not really, although I can see what you would not see that. For someone who complains about being dogpiled, Meri sure has a way to take a completely innocuous discussion and put some utterly unprovoked snark in it. Then she's all shocked that the target of unprovoked snark is a little put off by it.
Yeah but you always are just waiting to be a jerk on any topic so...
I don't think it's fair to say that he just waits to be a jerk.
He's more proactive than that.
Guller's an alright dude and his exchanges with Meri are rarely one-sided.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
Not really, although I can see what you would not see that. For someone who complains about being dogpiled, Meri sure has a way to take a completely innocuous discussion and put some utterly unprovoked snark in it. Then she's all shocked that the target of unprovoked snark is a little put off by it.
Mmm, not sure that I've ever "complained about being dogpiled". Someone else said something about it - and others agreed - in the Back Room (oops!), but I didn't. I have, however, complained repeatedly about your condescending tone, which is where the response last night came from.
Timmy, I have a Cannon MP11DX Calculator at my desk. I call it an adding machine because it has a tape... and I'm old.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cabrillo.edu%2Facademics%2Fcabt%2Fimages%2FCalcSmall.jpg&hash=ff3270699b95bae0e9d8afc296ec9c7695eaaf5d)
None of which is the point. :P
You need to be able to do the job you're paid to do. If you can't, that's not the right career for you to be in.
Quote from: merithyn on September 11, 2013, 07:28:47 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
Not really, although I can see what you would not see that. For someone who complains about being dogpiled, Meri sure has a way to take a completely innocuous discussion and put some utterly unprovoked snark in it. Then she's all shocked that the target of unprovoked snark is a little put off by it.
Mmm, not sure that I've ever "complained about being dogpiled". Someone else said something about it - and others agreed - in the Back Room (oops!), but I didn't. I have, however, complained repeatedly about your condescending tone, which is where the response last night came from.
Statutory rape threads is the most recent example. Maybe not in those words, but with that meaning. And before you accuse me of being condescending, look in the immediately preceding reply, and re-examine whether it was an appropriate and justified level of passive aggression to a follow-up question.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 10, 2013, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
There is no way to get any raw data out of it?
:secret: That's what none means. :secret:
Well, you were talking about "software being uploaded into Excel workbook", which means nothing other than that the person saying it is not a data flow expert, so I wanted to clarify and confirm.
:mellow:
Fuck off, dick.
What an eloquent, yet biting put-down.
I would have told you to drink a tall cup of diarrhea. Then eat a bag of dicks.
Followup would include insulting your choice of track suits and wondering how many beets you can jam up your ass.
Your welcome.
And I like you. If you was that retard working in an Asian country,I would have been meaner.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 11, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
I would have told you to drink a tall cup of diarrhea. Then eat a bag of dicks.
Followup would include insulting your choice of track suits and wondering how many beets you can jam up your ass.
Your welcome.
And I like you. If you was that retard working in an Asian country,I would have been meaner.
Yes, that's definitely more eloquent. You win. :hug:
QuoteFor example, women found it difficult to drag a weighted dummy in a challenge intended to simulate moving a dead body.
Well yea.
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Women also fared worse than overweight men in a challenge that involved weaving through gates.
Their passage was hindered by their curves, Professor Jackson said, whereas men tended to carry extra pounds on their bellies rather than their hips.
:lol: Oh for Christ's sake. What BS