http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/nyregion/for-women-in-weiner-scandal-indignity-lingers.html?src=mv&_r=0
QuoteCustomers taunt Lisa Weiss. "Talk dirty to me," they joke. "We know you like it." Colleagues refuse to speak with her. Strangers mock her in nasty online messages.
"Clearly she's got mental issues," declared the latest.
Anthony D. Weiner's improbable campaign for mayor of New York City is a wager that voters have made peace with his lewd online behavior, a subject he has largely left behind as he roils the race with his aggressive debating style and attention-getting policy proposals.
But for the women who were on the other end of Mr. Weiner's sexually explicit conversations and photographs, his candidacy is an unwanted reminder of a scandal that has upended their lives in ways big and small, cutting short careers, disrupting educations and damaging reputations.
"I cannot tell you the devastation," said Ms. Weiss, a 42-year-old blackjack dealer in Nevada who exchanged dozens of explicit messages with Mr. Weiner, then a congressman, in 2010 and 2011.
Ms. Weiss, a die-hard Democrat who once volunteered for Bill Clinton's presidential campaign and was inspired by "Fahrenheit 9/11," a film critique of the Bush administration, said she reached out to Mr. Weiner after watching him joust with Republican rivals on cable news. They traded admiring messages on Facebook that, at his prompting, became intimate and raunchy, she said.
When their correspondence eventually became public, she said in an interview, conservative-minded colleagues sought to have her fired. The press lined up outside of her house and showed up at her casino, causing her to miss work for weeks. One night, she turned on the television to find the HBO host Bill Maher and the actress Jane Lynch performing a dramatic reading of the bawdy messages.
Ms. Weiss, an avowed Maher fan, said she sat in her living room crying. While coping with the onslaught, she drank heavy amounts of alcohol, a habit that persists.
"I obsess about it," she said, "every day."
It is hard not to, she said: Mr. Weiner had faded from view after resigning from Congress, but now that he is in the mayoral race, her phone lights up with calls from reporters, online enemies are pouncing and fresh cruelties abound.
"We know what you want to do to him," she recalled a man teasing her at work recently.
Little unites the five women whose online relationships with Mr. Weiner have become public. Some were self-confident political admirers; some were struggling and insecure, flattered by attention from a man in power. Some fled publicity after his downfall; some sought it out. (Ms. Weiss even appeared on "Inside Edition.") Some of them still think he would be a good mayor; some are repelled by the concept.
But it is clear that all of them have been overwhelmed by the reaction to the imbroglio.
Gennette Cordova, a 21-year-old college student when she interacted with Mr. Weiner, is still trying to reclaim her identity, online and off.
In spring 2011, Mr. Weiner sent her an image of himself in boxers, with an obvious erection. Ms. Cordova, who has told The New York Times that she had chatted electronically with Mr. Weiner about politics and not about sex, was shocked by his unwanted advance.
When Mr. Weiner inadvertently posted the image publicly on Twitter, the Internet quickly rendered its own verdict, branding Ms. Cordova, incorrectly, she says, a participant in his online dalliances.
The news media dug up Ms. Cordova's old yearbooks and sifted through police records, publicizing her youthful indiscretions.
The attention prompted her to withdraw from academic classes. She moved from Seattle to New York City, before Mr. Weiner's decision to run for mayor, eager to leave a place where she had become known for her ties to the unfolding drama.
But, with Mr. Weiner back in the spotlight, the story has followed her across the country. A few weeks ago, a reporter showed up, unannounced, at her office, asking her about Mr. Weiner.
The repercussions were also painful for Traci Nobles, a onetime schoolteacher and a fitness instructor in Georgia, who says her roommate leaked her salacious messages with Mr. Weiner without her permission. As media inquiries poured in to her employer, Ms. Nobles was forced to quit her job at a Young Women's Christian Organization because of the attention.
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Maybe I didn't pay enough attention to the scandal but I don't think I'd recognize any of the women - let alone think it'd be fun to throw it up as a joke in their face.
Why did you post this?
First person to post in the thread loses.
Quote from: The Brain on June 24, 2013, 03:15:40 PM
Why did you post this?
It was something I hadn't thought about with regards to one of my mayoral candidates.
Why won't Weiner go out and get a real job? :rolleyes: Like drive the Weinermobile for instance.
Another life lesson learned!
Quote from: derspiess on June 24, 2013, 03:37:46 PM
Another life lesson learned!
You are not allowed to have a private life?
Seriously what is the lesson? Become a nun?
Quote from: Valmy on June 24, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
You are not allowed to have a private life?
When it comes to "sexting" public figures, pretty much.
Quote from: derspiess on June 24, 2013, 04:27:32 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 24, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
You are not allowed to have a private life?
When it comes to "sexting" public figures, pretty much.
I guess. I mean so far as I can tell none of those women were even in relationships so I do not see that they were doing anything wrong. Stuff like this ruins it for everybody.
I mean one of them was just chatting with him and he sent her the schlong pics unsolicited...what is the lesson there? Just do not talk to public figures?
I think it is pretty harsh when "conservative colleagues" want you sacked from your job as a blackjack dealer in Nevada because of some sexy online chat :huh:
Valmy: Two of the three chicks mentioned in the article were apparently doing more than chatting about politics and the weather.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 24, 2013, 04:46:33 PM
Valmy: Two of the three chicks mentioned in the article were apparently doing more than chatting about politics and the weather.
Yes that last bit was referring to chick #3.
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 03:11:16 PMMaybe I didn't pay enough attention to the scandal but I don't think I'd recognize any of the women - let alone think it'd be fun to throw it up as a joke in their face.
That's because you didn't know them for other reasons. The people giving the women a hard time are either reporters, or people they work with or otherwise know.
Imagine if one of the people involved was posting on languish; it'd be brought up constantly.
Quote from: Jacob on June 24, 2013, 04:50:52 PM
Imagine if one of the people involved was posting on languish; it'd be brought up constantly.
I don't know. If I found sexts written by CdM I would be doing my best to forget I had ever seen them.
Edit: Oh Jake I had a thread for you in the Gaming forum if you haven't seen it already.
Quote from: Valmy on June 24, 2013, 04:34:37 PM
I guess. I mean so far as I can tell none of those women were even in relationships so I do not see that they were doing anything wrong.
I'm not casting moral judgment, believe it or not. I'm just saying it's stupid.
QuoteStuff like this ruins it for everybody.
:console:
QuoteI mean one of them was just chatting with him and he sent her the schlong pics unsolicited...what is the lesson there? Just do not talk to public figures?
Don't talk to those named Weiner :P
In two of the three cases it seems that the women willingly traded raunchy messages back & forth. I kinda feel bad for the other one, but then again her "youthful indiscretions" that apparently got uncovered were her own fault.
Quote from: derspiess on June 24, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
I'm not casting moral judgment, believe it or not. I'm just saying it's stupid.
It is sort of seeming like using your phone or your computer or anything and expecting it to be private is stupid. Which of course raises the question what is private?
QuoteDon't talk to those named Weiner
In two of the three cases it seems that the women willingly traded raunchy messages back & forth. I kinda feel bad for the other one, but then again her "youthful indiscretions" that apparently got uncovered were her own fault.
Well anybody's indiscretions of any sort can be used to attack anybody, even when they did not do anything wrong it was just a bit embarrasing. I find that pretty worrisome.
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on June 24, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
Well anybody's indiscretions of any sort can be used to attack anybody, even when they did not do anything wrong it was just a bit embarrasing. I find that pretty worrisome.
Now you're learning, boy-o. Welcome to the Internet Age.
Quote from: Jacob on June 24, 2013, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 24, 2013, 03:11:16 PMMaybe I didn't pay enough attention to the scandal but I don't think I'd recognize any of the women - let alone think it'd be fun to throw it up as a joke in their face.
That's because you didn't know them for other reasons. The people giving the women a hard time are either reporters, or people they work with or otherwise know.
Imagine if one of the people involved was posting on languish; it'd be brought up constantly.
Fair though weren't some of the people harassing them customers? Also, while Languish might be cruel, I don't usually see co-workers making snide jokes at one another.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 05:08:53 PM
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
:D :thumbsup:
Quote from: derspiess on June 24, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 24, 2013, 04:34:37 PM
I guess. I mean so far as I can tell none of those women were even in relationships so I do not see that they were doing anything wrong.
I'm not casting moral judgment, believe it or not. I'm just saying it's stupid.
QuoteStuff like this ruins it for everybody.
:console:
QuoteI mean one of them was just chatting with him and he sent her the schlong pics unsolicited...what is the lesson there? Just do not talk to public figures?
Don't talk to those named Weiner :P
In two of the three cases it seems that the women willingly traded raunchy messages back & forth. I kinda feel bad for the other one, but then again her "youthful indiscretions" that apparently got uncovered were her own fault.
While I don't like the idea of sexting, or sexting a married man, seems a bit harsh to say that these women deserve what they are getting as they participated willingly in the private chat.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 05:08:53 PM
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
God help any of us Languishistas should we become famous. Languish = a gold mine of embarrasing quotes. :D
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 05:08:53 PM
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
Now you understand why the Victorians handled things the way that they did. We may actually end up heading back in that direction thanks to the early hedonistic internet ways. :ph34r:
Quote from: Valmy on June 24, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
If I found sexts written by CdM I would be doing my best to forget I had ever seen them.
You wouldn't be able, as the prose would be crafted so elegantly, so flawless, their very existence seared into your psyche. LULZ PIC OF MAH COCK U?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 05:08:53 PM
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
Which is fine so long as you do not attract public attention for any reason.
Quote from: derspiess on June 24, 2013, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 24, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
Well anybody's indiscretions of any sort can be used to attack anybody, even when they did not do anything wrong it was just a bit embarrasing. I find that pretty worrisome.
Now you're learning, boy-o. Welcome to the Internet Age.
For a guy who claims to just want to be left alone you seem pretty comfortable with it :P
Quote from: merithyn on June 25, 2013, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 05:08:53 PM
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
Now you understand why the Victorians handled things the way that they did. We may actually end up heading back in that direction thanks to the early hedonistic internet ways. :ph34r:
Yes, this is one of my pet theories, we return to the Victorian age when it comes to free speech ......... though with different shibboleths of course.
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 05:08:53 PM
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
Which is fine so long as you do not attract public attention for any reason.
It will/has become very easy for the security services to bugger up the political campaign of anyone they disapprove of :ph34r:
.........and if they can't find any dirt on a particular candidate then that person is so tedious I wouldn't vote for him either :D
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 09:52:50 AM
For a guy who claims to just want to be left alone you seem pretty comfortable with it :P
But then I don't make a habit of sexting married public figures named "Weiner".
Quote from: derspiess on June 25, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
But then I don't make a habit of sexting married public figures named "Weiner".
Nah but you do other things. Would you like your internet search history released to the public?
Weiner leads N.Y. mayor poll
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/anthony-weiner-nyc-mayor-poll-93374.html
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.politico.com%2Fglobal%2F2013%2F05%2F23%2F130523_weiner_nycmayor_ap_328.jpg&hash=3c2ec513305734797cf99d1b4defafc16f6f333f)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-wgrVdJZeeQU%2FUWHTFueuMhI%2FAAAAAAAANCc%2F99isC3qaxTk%2Fs400%2FAnthony-Weiner-gym-pics.jpg&hash=3c6fed193d8d80699986bd5fafed5999234dc204)
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 25, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
But then I don't make a habit of sexting married public figures named "Weiner".
Nah but you do other things. Would you like your internet search history released to the public?
Plenty of things posted on here would look pretty bad to a potential new employer, that's for sure.
Quote from: Jacob on June 25, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 25, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
But then I don't make a habit of sexting married public figures named "Weiner".
Nah but you do other things. Would you like your internet search history released to the public?
Plenty of things posted on here would look pretty bad to a potential new employer, that's for sure.
Nah. Not everyone is as sensitive as you.
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 25, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
But then I don't make a habit of sexting married public figures named "Weiner".
Nah but you do other things. Would you like your internet search history released to the public?
No. Not that it would be very interesting to anyone.
True; search strings involving "Chicom ammunition", "embryo tax returns", "Cincinnati Bengals arrests" and "enforcing gender roles as parent"--while disconcerting--are not all that interesting.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 24, 2013, 05:08:53 PM
The argument seems to be that we should constantly self-censor, otherwise, once our privacy has been breached, we will be shown up as the slightly ridiculous people that we all are :hmm:
:yes:
And this is why Languish has already ruined my potential political career. :mad:
Oh sure it is all our fault :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on June 25, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
Oh sure it is all our fault :rolleyes:
I could have been a contender ..... :(
But now you are just a nobody, a bum...
:bleeding: STELLA!
Quote from: katmai on June 25, 2013, 08:30:22 PM
But now you are just a nobody, a bum...
Yeah, and you can judge me by the company I keep. :P
Goodnight. :cool:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 25, 2013, 08:11:53 PM
True; search strings involving "Chicom ammunition", "embryo tax returns", "Cincinnati Bengals arrests" and "enforcing gender roles as parent"--while disconcerting--are not all that interesting.
I buy Serb ammo, not Chinese :rolleyes:
Quote from: derspiess on June 25, 2013, 09:39:24 PM
I buy Serb ammo, not Chinese :rolleyes:
Even filthier.
The Serbs ain't so bad.
Jesus fucking Christ, are there any of the historical bad guys you don't root for?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 26, 2013, 08:25:10 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, are there any of the historical bad guys you don't root for?
Judas?
QuoteAnthony Weiner to Plead Guilty to Resolve Sexting Inquiry
By BENJAMIN WEISER and WILLIAM K. RASHBAUMMAY 19, 2017
Anthony D. Weiner, the former Democratic congressman whose sexting scandals ended his political career and embroiled him in a tumultuous F.B.I. investigation of Hillary Clinton before the election, is to appear in a federal courtroom in Manhattan on Friday to enter a guilty plea.
The information has not been made public but was related by two people who have been briefed on the matter and asked not to be identified.
Mr. Weiner will plead guilty to a single charge of transferring obscene material to a minor, pursuant to a plea agreement with the United States attorney's office in Manhattan, one of the people said. Mr. Weiner surrendered to the F.B.I. early Friday morning.
The federal authorities have been investigating reports that, beginning in January 2016, Mr. Weiner, then 51, exchanged sexually explicit messages with a 15-year-old girl in North Carolina.
The plea covers conduct by Mr. Weiner from January through March of last year, the person said. A likely result of the plea is that Mr. Weiner would end up as a registered sex offender, although a final determination has yet to be made, the person added.
The charge carries a potential sentence of zero to 10 years in prison, meaning that Mr. Weiner could avoid prison. The ultimate sentence would be determined by a judge.
Reports of the federal investigation surfaced in September after a British newspaper, The Daily Mail, reported that Mr. Weiner had engaged in an online relationship with the girl, which included explicit messages sent over social media and suggestive texts.
It was during the investigation that the F.B.I. seized Mr. Weiner's electronic devices, including a laptop on which agents found a trove of emails to his estranged wife, Huma Abedin, a top aide to Mrs. Clinton. That discovery led to the surprise announcement in late October by James B. Comey, then the F.B.I. director, that the bureau was conducting a new investigation into Mrs. Clinton's handling of official email, an inquiry that ended two days before the election, with no charges brought.
Mrs. Clinton recently attributed her election loss in part to Mr. Comey's announcement.
A defendant's decision to plead guilty, of course, is subject to change at the last minute. A representative of the United States attorney's office in Manhattan had no comment on the case.
The Daily Mail article said that Mr. Weiner began exchanging messages with the girl when she was a high school sophomore and that the messages indicated that Mr. Weiner knew that she was underage.
The newspaper, which did not identify the girl, said she did not want to press charges "because she believes her relationship with Weiner was consensual." The paper said that she and her father agreed to be interviewed "out of concern that Weiner may be sexting with other underage girls."
Mr. Weiner was forced to resign from Congress, where he represented parts of Queens and Brooklyn, in June 2011, not long after an explicit picture, sent from his Twitter account, became public. Mr. Weiner initially claimed that his account had been hacked but eventually admitted that he had lied and that he had sent the image and had inappropriate online exchanges with at least six other women.
An effort to resurrect his career progressed in 2013 as he began his candidacy for mayor of New York. But that, too, collapsed after the emergence of additional explicit online messages.
Mr. Weiner's marriage to Ms. Abedin fell apart after new suggestive text messages surfaced in August, including one with an image of Mr. Weiner's crotch as he lay next to the couple's son, who was 4.
WEINER. Hee hee hee!
Weiner's a dick.
Guys like Weiner and Clinton have no business in modern politics where everything is public knowledge. You have to be a person who is either pathologically paranoid with your private life or so upright you have nothing to hide.
Guys like Spicey who never even looks at porn on the internet.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 10:36:41 AM
Guys like Weiner and Clinton have no business in modern politics where everything is public knowledge. You have to be a person who is either pathologically paranoid with your private life or so upright you have nothing to hide.
Guys like Spicey who never even looks at porn on the internet.
I don't trust those guys, they always do something weird in the end. We should just move to a European model of not caring who politicians screw (though weiner is special cause of the teeny aspect)
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
We should just move to a European model of not caring who politicians screw (though weiner is special cause of the teeny aspect)
I don't know. I mean it was one thing when we theoretically knew they were screwing everybody but seeing their dickpics makes it hard to respect them. Surely even for Euros.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
We should just move to a European model of not caring who politicians screw (though weiner is special cause of the teeny aspect)
I don't know. I mean it was one thing when we theoretically knew they were screwing everybody but seeing their dickpics makes it hard to respect them. Surely even for Euros.
Guess in euroland it would depend in the dick was circumcised.
I just find it weird they we freak out about the po0litican nailing the young intern, but are totally cool with lobbies bribing them. It seems so backwards to me.
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
I just find it weird they we freak out about the po0litican nailing the young intern, but are totally cool with lobbies bribing them. It seems so backwards to me.
I don't think anybody is cool with either. Both are abuses of power. And both were just presumed to have gone on, but could be safely ignored. Now we get every dirty detail.
Is Spain's worst kept secret that the now former king is a serial philanderer and nobody gives a shit. We had a conservative VP dump his wife and marry a 20 y/o while in office. And then divorce her. Honestly, as long as it's legal I don't care what public officials do with their dicks/cunts.
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:02:29 AM
Is Spain's worst kept secret that the now former king is a serial philanderer and nobody gives a shit. We had a conservative VP dump his wife and marry a 20 y/o while in office. Honestly, as long as it's legal I don't care what public officials do with their dicks/cunts.
Any reason you opted for that offensive term?
I thought dick and cunt were more or less equal in offensiveness? No offence intended then. Just deficient English.
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:02:29 AM
Is Spain's worst kept secret that the now former king is a serial philanderer and nobody gives a shit. We had a conservative VP dump his wife and marry a 20 y/o while in office. Honestly, as long as it's legal I don't care what public officials do with their dicks/cunts.
Personally all I care about is good governance.
Both ends of the political spectrum hate it here. Many leftists consider powerful men propositioning their underlings or whatever as basically rape because of the power differential. Many conservatives are big on traditional morality for politicians despite their recent support for Trump.
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
I thought dick and cunt were more or less equal in offensiveness? No offence intended then. Just deficient English.
It is one of the most radically woman-hating word English has yet been able to produce. So naturally people use it all the time. But seriously if you are ever talking to an anglophone woman do not use this word unless you like indignant rage. For good reason.
Fair enough. Apologies.
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:07:03 AM
Fair enough. Apologies.
No worries. Just wanting to make sure the language of the internet does not infiltrate your knowledge of English. People talk differently here.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
I thought dick and cunt were more or less equal in offensiveness? No offence intended then. Just deficient English.
It is one of the most radically woman-hating word English has yet been able to produce. So naturally people use it all the time. But seriously if you are ever talking to an anglophone woman do not use this word unless you like indignant rage. For good reason.
In north America, other anglos don't see to care as much. But yeah, celeb, be real careful with that word.
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:07:03 AM
Fair enough. Apologies.
I think your usage there, when speaking about genitals in general, is okay (though cunt is still a rude word).
Just don't ever call a specific woman that word.
Reminds me of my Italian uncle, who believed that the Spanish equivalent of "Fuck yourself" was something non-rude to say because her Spanish wife often said it to him.
Anyway in that sentence I used it to mean "female genitals" rather than "women", but I'll be careful.
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:38:47 AM
Reminds me of my Italian uncle, who believed that the Spanish equivalent of "Fuck yourself" was something non-rude to say because her Spanish wife often said it to him.
What an awkward way to learn you have an unhappy marriage :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 10:36:41 AM
Guys like Weiner and Clinton have no business in modern politics where everything is public knowledge. You have to be a person who is either pathologically paranoid with your private life or so upright you have nothing to hide.
Guys like Spicey who never even looks at porn on the internet.
:huh:
Quote from: derspiess on May 19, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 10:36:41 AM
Guys like Weiner and Clinton have no business in modern politics where everything is public knowledge. You have to be a person who is either pathologically paranoid with your private life or so upright you have nothing to hide.
Guys like Spicey who never even looks at porn on the internet.
:huh:
That was a reference to the four year old conversation from earlier in this thread :P
:lol: Wondered where this thread came from.
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:38:47 AM
Reminds me of my Italian uncle, who believed that the Spanish equivalent of "Fuck yourself" was something non-rude to say because her Spanish wife often said it to him.
What an awkward way to learn you have an unhappy marriage :lol:
He learnt it when he took a gig in Spain, and started telling his coworkers to "fuck yourself" when asked to do something. The whole thing was hilarious.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 10:36:41 AM
Guys like Weiner and Clinton have no business in modern politics where everything is public knowledge.
Except that many voters don't seem to care.
"Grab em by the pussy!"
Quote from: Caliga on May 19, 2017, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 10:36:41 AM
Guys like Weiner and Clinton have no business in modern politics where everything is public knowledge.
Except that many voters don't seem to care.
"Grab em by the pussy!"
Yeah unless you are Trump. Even the holier than thou Christians who wanted to burn the whole country to the ground in shame when Bill had sex were cool with Trump cheating on his wives repeatedly.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 12:10:29 PM
Yeah unless you are Trump. Even the holier than thou Christians who wanted to burn the whole country to the ground in shame when Bill had sex were cool with Trump cheating on his wives repeatedly.
Because Clinton is a Demoncrat.
Quote from: Caliga on May 19, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 12:10:29 PM
Yeah unless you are Trump. Even the holier than thou Christians who wanted to burn the whole country to the ground in shame when Bill had sex were cool with Trump cheating on his wives repeatedly.
Because Clinton is a Demoncrat.
I doubt they would have given a pass for McCain or Romney. They would have demanded their resignation. For whatever reason Trump is allowed to do whatever.
Am I wrong about that?
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 12:01:30 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 19, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:38:47 AM
Reminds me of my Italian uncle, who believed that the Spanish equivalent of "Fuck yourself" was something non-rude to say because her Spanish wife often said it to him.
What an awkward way to learn you have an unhappy marriage :lol:
He learnt it when he took a gig in Spain, and started telling his coworkers to "fuck yourself" when asked to do something. The whole thing was hilarious.
Reminds me of the old joke about the foreign tourist in New York: ""Excuse me, do you know the way to the Empire State Building, or should I just go fuck myself?"
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: celedhring on May 19, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
I thought dick and cunt were more or less equal in offensiveness? No offence intended then. Just deficient English.
It is one of the most radically woman-hating word English has yet been able to produce. So naturally people use it all the time. But seriously if you are ever talking to an anglophone woman do not use this word unless you like indignant rage. For good reason.
I thought it was only offensive when using that name toward someone, i.e.
Look at the cunt (woman), not something like "
don't think with your cunt (vagina)" ? So "dick" is not offensive in that context, but "cunt" is? What kind of barbaric sexism is that??
That word is not remotely the equivalent to dick :lmfao: Oh wow. Dick is pretty tame.
It is about 100x dirtier. Cock is closer.
It is unbelievable offensive when used in any context.
I make it a point never to use the word 'cunt' but I'm a little surprised by the reaction here. Fetch the smelling salts!
Quote from: derspiess on May 19, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
I make it a point never to use the word 'cunt' but I'm a little surprised by the reaction here. Fetch the smelling salts!
It is no big deal. I am just trying to help out the non-native English speakers. I was not even going to say anything until garbon pointed it out.
You make it a point for a reason. I do as well. Not because I pass out every time somebody says it but rather no good can ever come from saying it.
Funny how a thread about a weiner evolves into a discussion about a cunt.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 19, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
I make it a point never to use the word 'cunt' but I'm a little surprised by the reaction here. Fetch the smelling salts!
It is no big deal. I am just trying to help out the non-native English speakers. I was not even going to say anything until garbon pointed it out.
You make it a point for a reason. I do as well. Not because I pass out every time somebody says it but rather no good can ever come from saying it.
It's a bit of a dialect thing, seems to me. It does seem to carry the strongest reaction in American English.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
You make it a point for a reason. I do as well. Not because I pass out every time somebody says it but rather no good can ever come from saying it.
I dunno, man. It gets people jobs with Cal.
Quote from: Jacob on May 19, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 19, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
I make it a point never to use the word 'cunt' but I'm a little surprised by the reaction here. Fetch the smelling salts!
It is no big deal. I am just trying to help out the non-native English speakers. I was not even going to say anything until garbon pointed it out.
You make it a point for a reason. I do as well. Not because I pass out every time somebody says it but rather no good can ever come from saying it.
It's a bit of a dialect thing, seems to me. It does seem to carry the strongest reaction in American English.
It's like we have our culture over here.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 11:05:18 AM
Many leftists consider powerful men propositioning their underlings or whatever as basically rape because of the power differential. Many conservatives are big on traditional morality for politicians despite their recent support for Trump.
Sort of like many of those leftists gave Bill Clinton a pass. But then again, you don't have to be a leftist to find it offensive the way Bill apparently treats women.
To be fair to the leftists, I think a lot of them simply didn't believe the allegations against Bill Clinton, whereas AFAIK, no one doubts that Donald Trump is a cad at best. Frankly I'm disappointed that more of my fellow conservatives don't have a major problem with him in that respect.
Yeah until the Monica Lewinsky thing came to light, after he was re-elected mind you, most Democrats did not believe he was a slimeball. So it never became a major factor in any of his political campaigns. But I don't think there is any way he could have pulled that off today.
Quote from: derspiess on May 19, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
I make it a point never to use the word 'cunt' but I'm a little surprised by the reaction here. Fetch the smelling salts!
And it's usually me dropping the C word.
Just because something is incredibly taboo does not mean it isn't used all the time :P
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Yeah until the Monica Lewinsky thing came to light, after he was re-elected mind you, most Democrats did not believe he was a slimeball. So it never became a major factor in any of his political campaigns. But I don't think there is any way he could have pulled that off today.
I don't recall many people not believing he wasn't a slimeball. :huh:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 19, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Yeah until the Monica Lewinsky thing came to light, after he was re-elected mind you, most Democrats did not believe he was a slimeball. So it never became a major factor in any of his political campaigns. But I don't think there is any way he could have pulled that off today.
I don't recall many people not believing he wasn't a slimeball. :huh:
Really? But he felt their pain.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 19, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Yeah until the Monica Lewinsky thing came to light, after he was re-elected mind you, most Democrats did not believe he was a slimeball. So it never became a major factor in any of his political campaigns. But I don't think there is any way he could have pulled that off today.
I don't recall many people not believing he wasn't a slimeball. :huh:
:unsure:
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 11:39:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 19, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Yeah until the Monica Lewinsky thing came to light, after he was re-elected mind you, most Democrats did not believe he was a slimeball. So it never became a major factor in any of his political campaigns. But I don't think there is any way he could have pulled that off today.
I don't recall many people not believing he wasn't a slimeball. :huh:
Really? But he felt their pain.
People knew he had cheated on Hillary, but I don't think they were aware of that he was a serial philanderer, and they certainly weren't aware of the aspect of it that you referred to as "powerful men propositioning their underlings or whatever".
Quote from: The Brain on May 20, 2017, 01:59:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 19, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Yeah until the Monica Lewinsky thing came to light, after he was re-elected mind you, most Democrats did not believe he was a slimeball. So it never became a major factor in any of his political campaigns. But I don't think there is any way he could have pulled that off today.
I don't recall many people not believing he wasn't a slimeball. :huh:
:unsure:
I can't believe that you cannot work out what those triple negative didn't mean.
Quote from: dps on May 20, 2017, 08:36:46 AM
People knew he had cheated on Hillary, but I don't think they were aware of that he was a serial philanderer, and they certainly weren't aware of the aspect of it that you referred to as "powerful men propositioning their underlings or whatever".
I think that this is correct, but I also think that the bar has been raised on what politicians can get away with scot-free. I think Trump supporters know that he is a scumbag, but they think he has other attributes of "fearlessness" that make his fearless abuse of women an acceptable price to pay. "Grab 'em by the pussy" would have doomed any other candidate.
Quote from: grumbler on May 20, 2017, 09:00:23 AM
I also think that the bar has been raised on what politicians can get away with scot-free. I think Trump supporters know that he is a scumbag, but they think he has other attributes of "fearlessness" that make his fearless abuse of women an acceptable price to pay. "Grab 'em by the pussy" would have doomed any other candidate.
I fear that you are right. I hope that Trump is just an aberration, but I don't really have any confidence in the idea.
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 11:39:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 19, 2017, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
Yeah until the Monica Lewinsky thing came to light, after he was re-elected mind you, most Democrats did not believe he was a slimeball. So it never became a major factor in any of his political campaigns. But I don't think there is any way he could have pulled that off today.
I don't recall many people not believing he wasn't a slimeball. :huh:
Really? But he felt their pain.
The record was established before he even entered the White House he was a slimeball. Whether he was scumbag that warranted impeachment was a different story.