Quo Vadis GOP?

[Admiral Yi]

You're not that kind of a person at all.

Thanks.

I meant I am exactly as you see me.  The Larch is free to think I'm a piece of shit.

[The Minsky Moment]

What if Abbot and DeSantis announced a new state program that migrants would be offered the opportunity to enter into seven-year contracts of indentured servitude, the completion of which would entitle them to residency in the state?  Of course, this would be prohibited by the 13th Amendment.  But if the legal objection could be waived, and the migrants agreed to the contract, would there be any basis to object?  Consent trumps all?

[Admiral Yi]

What if Abbot and DeSantis announced a new state program that migrants would be offered the opportunity to enter into seven-year contracts of indentured servitude, the completion of which would entitle them to residency in the state?  Of course, this would be prohibited by the 13th Amendment.  But if the legal objection could be waived, and the migrants agreed to the contract, would there be any basis to object?  Consent trumps all?

I believe consent trumps all.  Obama's proposed immigration reform bill included a path to citizenship conditional on, as one option, service in the military.  The military offers education at a service academy in exchange for a fixed period of service.  It also offers free medical school on the same terms.  What is that if not indentured servitude?

edit: Although the right to residency in a given state is a nothingburger.  If you have the legal right to reside in the US you have the legal right to reside anywhere in the US.  If you don't you don't.

[grumbler]

I am not sure why Yi assumes that, barring conclusive evidence to the contrary, people who end up in a shitty situation gave their informed consent to be shat upon. 

My assumption (and, I think, the rational assumption) is that they didn't, and Yi has produced exactly zero evidence that they did give informed consent.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Yi has generally never produced evidence for anything he says on these boards, it's his "style", he is big on asking others to do research he either lacks the ability or willingness to do himself.

[Gups]

What if Abbot and DeSantis announced a new state program that migrants would be offered the opportunity to enter into seven-year contracts of indentured servitude, the completion of which would entitle them to residency in the state?  Of course, this would be prohibited by the 13th Amendment.  But if the legal objection could be waived, and the migrants agreed to the contract, would there be any basis to object?  Consent trumps all?

I believe consent trumps all.  Obama's proposed immigration reform bill included a path to citizenship conditional on, as one option, service in the military.  The military offers education at a service academy in exchange for a fixed period of service.  It also offers free medical school on the same terms.  What is that if not indentured servitude?

edit: Although the right to residency in a given state is a nothingburger.  If you have the legal right to reside in the US you have the legal right to reside anywhere in the US.  If you don't you don't.

There's a difference between consent when you have other options and consent when you don't.

[OttoVonBismarck]

The refugee resettlement process that already exists also moves people to other states to share the burden. As Minsky mentioned, there is no good faith reason for the ancillary spending to randomly ship people deliberately with no coordination with refugee orgs at the destination, it is done purely to cause harm and to generate drama. It is an inherently deceptive and immoral activity.

[Admiral Yi]

There's a difference between consent when you have other options and consent when you don't.

Surely.  Insofar as if you have no other options consent is meaningless.  We all die at some point whether we consent or not.  Consenting to die at some point is meaningless.

[Syt]

[Razgovory]

So long as he's cold and dead.

[Sheilbh]

Moving to a flat with an electric cooker is stressful enough, and now Syt's found my alt account

[garbon]

Gas stoves are great

[Syt]

Yes, but turning them into another battleground in the Culture Wars is ridiculous. Guess it's a good thing that lead paint and asbestos in everything were abandoned before today's hyperpolarization.

[The Larch]

Yes, but turning them into another battleground in the Culture Wars is ridiculous. Guess it's a good thing that lead paint and asbestos in everything were abandoned before today's hyperpolarization.

Regarding culture wars and home appliances, it's funny how Trump ranted during his whole presidency about how toilet flushing was terrible nowadays and absolutely nobody followed him on that and now an unfounded rumour about gas stoves has the rabid sector of the GOP up in arms. 

[Grey Fox]

Moving to a flat with an electric cooker is stressful enough, and now Syt's found my alt account

Be patient and use a lower settings if your cooker is of poor quality.