Quote from: Sheilbh on June 02, 2024, 11:38:43 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on June 02, 2024, 11:34:26 AMI saw a lot of Europeans wearing masks when I was in Sardinia.Possibly an Italian thing.
Must be a UK thing
I've recently been to France, Germany, Poland, Greece, Turkey and Spain and didn't really see any mask wearing. An odd one or two people maybe.
But I was also surprised, given my expectation, that not everyone was masked in Hong Kong or Taiwan. Very mixed which wasn't my expectation, I thought it'd be more or less universal.
Edit: Also incidentally the UK had the highest rate of people in polls during the pandemic saying they intended to carry on wearing masks - something like 40-50%. Needless to say, good intentions etc. (Or it might just be like the 30% who want lockdown restrictions imposed permanently And I feel like I see more masking outside of London than in it - which again reflects those demographics on vaccines.).
Edit:QuoteOh, and by the way, the pandemic is not over. It's just that a lot of people are vaccinated now, and the consequences of getting it have been lessened because of the vaccination.I think the pandemic is over.
There's two ways they end - one is you end them medically by eliminating the disease or risk to zero, which we haven't done. It's now endemic.
The other is social. That society kind of moves on and no longer perceives x disease as an emergency. There's a treatment or a vaccine that makes it safe enough that socially it is no longer a pandemic. I think we're very much in that category.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 02, 2024, 11:38:43 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on June 02, 2024, 11:34:26 AMI saw a lot of Europeans wearing masks when I was in Sardinia.Possibly an Italian thing.
Must be a UK thing
I've recently been to France, Germany, Poland, Greece, Turkey and Spain and didn't really see any mask wearing. An odd one or two people maybe.
But I was also surprised, given my expectation, that not everyone was masked in Hong Kong or Taiwan. Very mixed which wasn't my expectation, I thought it'd be more or less universal.
Edit: Also incidentally the UK had the highest rate of people in polls during the pandemic saying they intended to carry on wearing masks - something like 40-50%. Needless to say, good intentions etc. (Or it might just be like the 30% who want lockdown restrictions imposed permanently And I feel like I see more masking outside of London than in it - which again reflects those demographics on vaccines.).
Edit:QuoteOh, and by the way, the pandemic is not over. It's just that a lot of people are vaccinated now, and the consequences of getting it have been lessened because of the vaccination.I think the pandemic is over.
There's two ways they end - one is you end them medically by eliminating the disease or risk to zero, which we haven't done. It's now endemic.
The other is social. That society kind of moves on and no longer perceives x disease as an emergency. There's a treatment or a vaccine that makes it safe enough that socially it is no longer a pandemic. I think we're very much in that category.
Quote from: garbon on June 02, 2024, 01:35:45 PMI was just in Milan and Naples the other week. I saw fewer masks than I do in London.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 02, 2024, 03:07:24 PMAs you describe it that sounds even worse then.Quote from: Josquius on June 02, 2024, 02:16:41 PMYeah, I found out about it as I met my mam today and she brought up the ex MP quitting. First I'd heard of it.No he's a long-standing councillor, I think in Hackney, who has on the Labour NEC for years and years. He's normally the lead on the centrist slate (so I feel like he was one of the resistance NEC during the Corbyn years). He's on the ultra-Blairite right of the party. He's been very involved in the disciplinary cases against the left and in shepherding rule changes through conference that are believed to help the right/hurt the left.
She didn't know who they'd got to replace him yet and I mentioned it'll probably be an expert in something or other, a technocrat, who would be good to have in a junior cabinet position.
I gave it a quick Google and stumbled on this guy. I've not had a chance to do much digging beyond skimming his Wikipeida but about all he seems to have going for him is he's really hard for zionism.
Which... Yeah. Do not want. I'd be surprised if we have triple figure Jewish people round our way never mind any connection to Palestine whatsoever.
Maybe it's to help with the red-brown vote? - but then that was a problem next door*. We remained loyal.
During the Corbyn he founded or ran a think tank, I think Labour First, which was about fighting for the Labour right pov/fighting to win.
It's rewarding an ultra-loyalist for Starmer who, in the internal party politics of committee rooms and rulebooks has done a lot of useful work. As well as the reward you can see the appeal in having that sort of MP (that sort of figure, historically made up about half the Scottish Labour MPs ).S%
QuoteLaura Pidcock? I'd always thought she was a bit like Richard Burgon to be honest She has a sterling record of turning historic Labour strongholds Tory both at council and constituency level which suggests she might not be that good.I don't think we can blame many individual MPs for 2019 with the whole Corbophobia, brekshit, populist drum banging going on.
QuoteThis sort of thing I honestly don't mind at all.
It's the law of the country that to get anywhere in life some time in London is hard to avoid.
If someone is from an area but goes to work in London for a decade before returning the that's great local representation in my book.
Maybe. My read is it's a bunch of twinks who couldn't get out of their suburban hell-hole fast enough, now returning and pretending to like it
Quote from: Josquius on June 02, 2024, 02:16:41 PMYeah, I found out about it as I met my mam today and she brought up the ex MP quitting. First I'd heard of it.No he's a long-standing councillor, I think in Hackney, who has on the Labour NEC for years and years. He's normally the lead on the centrist slate (so I feel like he was one of the resistance NEC during the Corbyn years). He's on the ultra-Blairite right of the party. He's been very involved in the disciplinary cases against the left and in shepherding rule changes through conference that are believed to help the right/hurt the left.
She didn't know who they'd got to replace him yet and I mentioned it'll probably be an expert in something or other, a technocrat, who would be good to have in a junior cabinet position.
I gave it a quick Google and stumbled on this guy. I've not had a chance to do much digging beyond skimming his Wikipeida but about all he seems to have going for him is he's really hard for zionism.
Which... Yeah. Do not want. I'd be surprised if we have triple figure Jewish people round our way never mind any connection to Palestine whatsoever.
Maybe it's to help with the red-brown vote? - but then that was a problem next door*. We remained loyal.
Quote*which I need to do more digging into. My mam also mentioned some stuff on the ex labour MP for nw Durham, a young woman who was apparently a really good mp albeit Corbyn friendly, got some seriously horrific treatment from the local fascists. Which is very believable though never reported.Laura Pidcock? I'd always thought she was a bit like Richard Burgon to be honest She has a sterling record of turning historic Labour strongholds Tory both at council and constituency level which suggests she might not be that good.
QuoteThis sort of thing I honestly don't mind at all.Maybe. My read is it's a bunch of twinks who couldn't get out of their suburban hell-hole fast enough, now returning and pretending to like it
It's the law of the country that to get anywhere in life some time in London is hard to avoid.
If someone is from an area but goes to work in London for a decade before returning the that's great local representation in my book.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 02, 2024, 10:31:56 AMYeah, I found out about it as I met my mam today and she brought up the ex MP quitting. First I'd heard of it.Quote from: Josquius on June 02, 2024, 07:53:44 AMBut that is pretty crap. Nothing to do with the area either.I've said before - Labour is far more into parachuting people into very safe constituencies than the Tories. See the very safe seats all over (North-East, South Wales, Birmingham) for NEC members, think tankers, union officials with no connection to the area who, at best, have been a councillor in London.
QuoteThere's also lots of bright young thing councillors from, say, Camden or Hackney returning to run in the seats they were born or raised in making a big deal of being a councillor on their election material, but not clarifying where. You can tell everywhere who the leadership's favoured candidate was because they appear to have had an agency on retainer to produce very similar selection leaflets, social media videos etc.
Quote from: Syt on June 02, 2024, 01:28:38 AMShower thought this morning: if Sony really wanted to harvest PC users for their database, they would have released Bloodborne for PC with PSN required for the online component.
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