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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...

Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 01:52:20 AM

There it is.

Indeed.

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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...

Last post by DGuller - Today at 01:49:42 AM

The guy with the gun could not have been reaching for his piece when he was shot, because his piece was many feet away in the hands of another ICE agent by then.

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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...

Last post by Zoupa - Today at 01:49:34 AM

Also not terrifically outraged by the trash talk because both the victims were dumbasses.

There it is.

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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...

Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 01:37:33 AM

I'll try to make the second question more clear. you said you don't have a formula to come to a reasonable score, but could more incidents convince you that that ICEs behaviour is unreasonable absent a formula.  as an answer for me, they've failed my reasonable score because of the increase in deadly incidents and overall intimidation tactics. Tied to the is the very quick defence of the two murders in Minneapolis, the denunciation of the victims, and the refusal for an investigation by both the administration and ICE brass themselves. On the scale of pro cop vs anti cop I'm more on the pro cop side. That being said my pro cop stance rests on rational actions of the cops and investigations to either confirm or refute whether the actions were rational. If they can't even bother to put on a show I can't trust them and can't find their actions reasonable.

I'm confused about your last part now, if Trump picked a unproductive deportation strategy to make liberals cry isn't that a ICE policy? To make liberals cry? Aren't you also saying it's ICE policy to fan fears and aggrandize Trump? And if so does that not make ICE policies unreasonable?

So it sounds sort of like a justified outrage score.  Yeah?

The intimidation I know nothing about.  I agree, based on the angle of the front wheels, the first shooting was a bad kill.   I can't tell yet whether the guy with the gun was reaching for his piece.  Tentative bad kill. Totally agree it's a big fuck you to not even investigate the killings. The trash talk about the victims I  pin on the hag at DHS. Also not terrifically outraged by the trash talk because both the victims were dumbasses.

Agreeing more than disagreeing with you, I also assign a score of unreasonable.

The policy is the mission, not the president's political agenda.  It's the job of line agencies to obey lawful commands, not pass judgement on the agenda. To explain the difference, I think Obama's motivation for ordering the Surge 2.0 was to    kick the can down the road to save his political career and legacy. I don't judge the military for endorsing a cynical agenda. I respect them for obeying a lawful order.

#5

Off the Record / Re: Elon Musk: Always A Douche

Last post by Zoupa - Today at 12:22:18 AM

Stumbled on this article from 2018. All I can say is 

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spacex-mars-plan-timeline-2018-10?op=1

#6

Off the Record / Re: Climate Change/Mass Extinc...

Last post by HVC - Today at 12:06:56 AM

Portugal, Spain, and Morocco are getting pummelled by storms. Since the end of January they been hit by Kristen, Leonardo, and Marta. it's raining in the azores again so might be another storm coming, but I'm not sure.

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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...

Last post by Zoupa - Today at 12:03:36 AM

They're just following orders, man.

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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...

Last post by HVC - February 08, 2026, 11:48:40 PM

The policy as I see it is to arrest lots of illegal immigrants on the street and deport them.

I honestly don't know how to answer the reasonable question.  It's written in a language I don't speak. It's like asking me if ICE's behavior is oval.  If you understand the question please, as a favor, tell me your answer and how you got there.

I think Trump purposely picked an unproductive deportation strategy because he's a vampire who prolongs his life by drinking liberul tears. Because he loves dominance behavior. Because it generates more  news coverage about HIM HIM HIM. Because it pleases his voters who think illegal immigration is a CRISIS that demands a RADICAL SOLUTION.

I'll try to make the second question more clear. you said you don't have a formula to come to a reasonable score, but could more incidents convince you that that ICEs behaviour is unreasonable absent a formula.  as an answer for me, they've failed my reasonable score because of the increase in deadly incidents and overall intimidation tactics. Tied to the is the very quick defence of the two murders in Minneapolis, the denunciation of the victims, and the refusal for an investigation by both the administration and ICE brass themselves. On the scale of pro cop vs anti cop I'm more on the pro cop side. That being said my pro cop stance rests on rational actions of the cops and investigations to either confirm or refute whether the actions were rational. If they can't even bother to put on a show I can't trust them and can't find their actions reasonable.

I'm confused about your last part now, if Trump picked a unproductive deportation strategy to make liberals cry isn't that a ICE policy? To make liberals cry? Aren't you also saying it's ICE policy to fan fears and aggrandize Trump? And if so does that not make ICE policies unreasonable?

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Off the Record / Re: Facebook Follies of Friend...

Last post by Admiral Yi - February 08, 2026, 11:28:35 PM

Thank you for answering. For further clarification, if you would indulge me, I have some follow up questions.

what is ICEs policy as you understand it, as it pertains to your first reply.

For your second point, you're unable to give a score, in your words, now. Do you believe there's a point at which the bad acts could accumulate to a point where there would be a failing score. And if so would you be able to articulate what those acts would be?

And lastly if they're less efficient at their new method of enforcement, both in terms of number of deportations and cost per deportations does that make it bad method (policy?)? If so would you hazard a guess at why they are using/given such a suboptimal policy when there is a proven alternative? and if you're will to entertain this train of thought is it possible that this particular policy has at least something in its intention beyond deporting illegals? My personal train of thought along this track is that the new method leads me to believe that intimidation is at least part (for me a large part) of the new policy. But I'm (graciously ) willing to accept you don't follow my track of thought.

The policy as I see it is to arrest lots of illegal immigrants on the street and deport them.

I honestly don't know how to answer the reasonable question.  It's written in a language I don't speak. It's like asking me if ICE's behavior is oval.  If you understand the question please, as a favor, tell me your answer and how you got there.

I think Trump purposely picked an unproductive deportation strategy because he's a vampire who prolongs his life by drinking liberul tears. Because he loves dominance behavior. Because it generates more  news coverage about HIM HIM HIM. Because it pleases his voters who think illegal immigration is a CRISIS that demands a RADICAL SOLUTION.

#10

Off the Record / Re: The EU thread

Last post by grumbler - February 08, 2026, 11:14:55 PM

A "wargame" that tells us that, if none of Germany, Poland, and the US try to stop them, Lithuania could be conquered by a Russian surprise attack. I think that we already knew that.