Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 04, 2025, 01:44:16 PMQuote from: Razgovory on October 04, 2025, 12:58:50 PMThe population of Gaza went from 5,000 to less than 1,000 under Hamas rule and there are plenty of reports of harassment, forced conversion and land theft by the PA. So let's not pretend there is a "well tolerated" Christian community in Palestine.
Why don't you ask the Christian community in the West Bank who they fear more, and who harasses them more? It's not even close. A few months ago, settler gangs carried out a pogrom (there is no other word to describe it) in a Christian village, burning houses to the ground, destroying cars, and murdering three residents. Depending on reports, the IDF either stood by or directly assisted.
In the Gaza war, the IDF bombed a 12th century Orthodox church, killing over a dozen. The only Catholic Church in Gaza has been attacked multiple times during the war: Israeli snipers murdered two unarmed women on church grounds, a school run by nuns on church grounds was bombed and destroyed, others were killed and the parish priest injured when Israeli tanks fired at the Church. Gaza Christians have no love for Hamas, but it is the IDF that has put them in graves and forced them into refugee camps.
The indefensible remains indefensible. When the Gaza war started, I took Israel's side, gave them every benefit of the doubt, defended their rights to retaliation under international law. You can look it up; it's right here on languish. I took them at their word that they were acting in good faith to ensure their security. That position has long ceased to be tenable. The attacks against civilians have been wildly disproportionate to any valid military purpose. Israel took the opportunity to dismantle Hezbollah - good for them. Meanwhile, although Israel has taken out about half the Hamas senior leadership, the other half remains active, and according to US intelligence reports, Hamas has recruited between 10,000 to 15,000 new fighters since the war began, likely fully replacing its losses. So the military operation has failed its primary objective.
Quote from: mongers on October 04, 2025, 07:33:33 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on October 04, 2025, 07:24:05 PM![]()
Well it's not as grim as other of my threads, I just noticed those on the front page are:
"Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25"
"Acts of Terrorism Mega thread"
"New Routine Shootings at US Schools and Universities Megathread."
All of which are unlikely to ever be out of 'fashion'.![]()
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 04, 2025, 07:24:05 PM![]()
Quote from: PJL on October 04, 2025, 06:07:19 PMQuote from: Josquius on October 04, 2025, 03:13:59 PMEd Miliband should have won
I'm defintely warming to the idea he should be the next PM if/when Starmer is pushed out. He very much has grown in stature over the last few years IMO.
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