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#1

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Tamas - Today at 08:24:21 PM

Losing the proxies is a giant concession especially towards their Russian ally.

My point is, if they agree to this and then later break it, would Trump, let alone any other president, restart this nightmare just because they arm militias in the region? Of course not.

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#2

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by HVC - Today at 08:20:15 PM

It's awarded by a literal Prince of a European Royal House.

The literal language of the provision is disjunctive: "king, prince, or foreign state"

In addition the control of the order and its succession was established by Papal Bull, thus implicating the Vatican, which is a sovereign foreign state.

If anything, I'd almost expect that there'd be backlash about this being a Papist honor, but then again you have a Catholic VP these days

And the US had a Catholic president until 15 months ago.

WTF, we're not even a third of the way through? 

Replace day with 15 months.

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#3

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by DGuller - Today at 08:15:56 PM

It's awarded by a literal Prince of a European Royal House.

The literal language of the provision is disjunctive: "king, prince, or foreign state"

In addition the control of the order and its succession was established by Papal Bull, thus implicating the Vatican, which is a sovereign foreign state.

If anything, I'd almost expect that there'd be backlash about this being a Papist honor, but then again you have a Catholic VP these days

And the US had a Catholic president until 15 months ago.

WTF, we're not even a third of the way through? 

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#4

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by grumbler - Today at 08:05:21 PM

It's awarded by a literal Prince of a European Royal House.

The literal language of the provision is disjunctive: "king, prince, or foreign state"

In addition the control of the order and its succession was established by Papal Bull, thus implicating the Vatican, which is a sovereign foreign state.

If anything, I'd almost expect that there'd be backlash about this being a Papist honor, but then again you have a Catholic VP these days

And the US had a Catholic president until 15 months ago.

#5

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Legbiter - Today at 07:33:39 PM

He's a real keeper.  Leading candidate for the 2027 FIFA Peace Prize Award

This whole war has really brought down my opinion of the Fifa Peace Prize. 

#6

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Jacob - Today at 07:13:37 PM

Seems fair-ish.

Were I Khamenei I'd add that Iran would get to pick an equivalent number Trump family members to blow up to make up for the family members he lost, and then call it a deal.

#7

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Grey Fox - Today at 06:33:47 PM

Losing the proxies is a giant concession especially towards their Russian ally.

#8

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by Tamas - Today at 06:23:57 PM

According to Reuters these are the terms the US is offering. Reads to me like a minor Iranian victory because no Iranian concession there - except for the nuclear weapons one is something the US would restart the war over if Iran just ignored their own commitments:

Iran dismantling its nuclear capabilities;

Iran committing to not pursuing further nuclear weapons;

Iran not enriching any more nuclear material;

All enriched material will be delivered to Saba on a schedule to be determined by the US, Israel and Iran;

The Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow nuclear facilities will be decommissioned;

The Atomic Energy Agency will get access to all nuclear information with regard to Iran's programme;

Iran will abandon its proxy model;

Iran will stop its actual funding and arming of proxies in the region;

The strait of Hormuz will remain open, as a free maritime zone and unblocked in the future;

Iran will limit the number and range of its missiles;

Any further use of its missiles will be for Iranian self-defence only;

All sanctions on Iran will be lifted;

Iran will be assisted in developing a civil nuclear project in Bushehr;

The snapback threat against Iran will be removed,

The US and Israel will assist Iran in promoting and developing a civil nuclear project in Bushehr (electricity generation).

#9

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by The Minsky Moment - Today at 06:11:13 PM

Who is going to be the bad boyar whose bad advice mislead the Czar to this defeat? Hegseth should prepare for claiming political asylum in Norway.

He's a real keeper.  Leading candidate for the 2027 FIFA Peace Prize Award

#10

Off the Record / Re: Iran War?

Last post by The Minsky Moment - Today at 06:08:55 PM

Apparently Iran is saying Kushner and Witkoff are persona non grata for future negotiations, they view them both as simply perpetuating bad faith negotiations in the past to prepare for the inevitable U.S. attacks. They now say any negotiations must involve J.D. Vance, since he has historically been skeptical of involvement in Middle Eastern wars.

Smart.
Witkoff is just another idiot RE guy. Gullible fool completely out of his depth and in Putin's pocket.
Kushner is a nepo baby puppet for the Saudis and the Gulf Arabs that bought him.

Vance is going to be wary about getting involved though, out of feat of being shivved in the back by other Trumpies and because he wants his fingerprints as far away from this shitshow as possible.