Turkish police use tear gas, injure dozens in break up of protests

[Razgovory]

The main people who try to convince us Kemal was a god are Turks so maybe Raz thinks he is on a Turkish nationalist forum?

I think it's more likely that Raz is mischaracterizing Tamas' position, the easier to discredit it.

A curious response, since I never attempted argue that anyone was saying Kemal was a god.

[Razgovory]

Thinking back, I saw a woman wearing a headscarf yesterday.  Strangely I was not driven into a rage over it.

Glad you are getting out out of the house.

Are you supposed to be driven into a rage over it?

Because I see them everyday on campus and was not aware about this requirement.

That said, I readily admit that I am unable to be objective in this.

Maybe because I only occasionally venture into western Europe and I haven't gotten used to this, but every time I saw a jerk arab guy in shorts and T shirt and his women covered completely in heavy black clothing... That needs to stop.

Tamas was giving me a rage vibe here.

[Admiral Yi]

A curious response, since I never attempted argue that anyone was saying Kemal was a god.

A curious response, as I never claimed you did.  Valmy proposed an explanation for your position, I proposed an alternative.

[garbon]

Still Tamas's position is pretty boneheaded.

[Tamas]

Still Tamas's position is pretty boneheaded.

ISn't that from the french vail thread?

[Neil]

Turkey is much better off today than it would have been without Ataturk. Can the same be said of Lenin and Russia?

It's certainly less Greek.

That's a good thing.

[Razgovory]

A curious response, since I never attempted argue that anyone was saying Kemal was a god.

A curious response, as I never claimed you did.  Valmy proposed an explanation for your position, I proposed an alternative.

Your alternative was based on faulty information.

[Admiral Yi]

Your alternative was based on faulty information.

Please elaborate.

[Razgovory]

Your alternative was based on faulty information.

Please elaborate.

I thought it was clear.  Valmy was wrong in claiming I said that people were trying to make Kemal a god.  Therefore any alternative interpretation is tainted by incorrect facts.

[Admiral Yi]

I thought it was clear.  Valmy was wrong in claiming I said that people were trying to make Kemal a god.  Therefore any alternative interpretation is tainted by incorrect facts.

For an alternate interpretation to be tainted by incorrect facts it would have to rely on those incorrect facts as a basis for the argument.  I did not base my interpretation on the assumption that you said people were trying to make Kemal a god.

[garbon]

Still Tamas's position is pretty boneheaded.

ISn't that from the french vail thread?

So?

[Razgovory]

I thought it was clear.  Valmy was wrong in claiming I said that people were trying to make Kemal a god.  Therefore any alternative interpretation is tainted by incorrect facts.

For an alternate interpretation to be tainted by incorrect facts it would have to rely on those incorrect facts as a basis for the argument.  I did not base my interpretation on the assumption that you said people were trying to make Kemal a god.

Then what was your interpretation on?

[Admiral Yi]

Then what was your interpretation on?

Your posting history and Tamas'.

[Razgovory]

Then what was your interpretation on?

Your posting history and Tamas'.

Ah, then I see the confusion as Valmy has little to do with that.  Then perhaps you would like to elaborate on that.

[grumbler]

Yi:  Bail out!  BAIL OUT!