Turkish police use tear gas, injure dozens in break up of protests

Started by Syt, June 01, 2013, 01:43:40 AM

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Queequeg

#105
June 03, 2013, 08:38:32 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 03, 2013, 05:07:58 PM
I'm with the protesters too. But that's because I love a protest movement and I think Erdogan's been around too long, it'll do everyone good for the party managers to move him on.
I actually agree with you on this.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

#106
June 03, 2013, 08:45:15 PM
QuoteWhen did those happen
Here.

Quotewhere did the protesters declare that their agenda is to put this other party back in power?
Status of all of my Turkish friends and Turk-related friends on FB have been variations on "leave, Erdogan."  I don't think a lot of them would be happy if Erdogan just decided to gracefully exit and was replaced with next generation of AKP leadership.  A lot of them have more respect for Kemalism than I do. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Razgovory

#107
June 03, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 03, 2013, 08:38:32 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 03, 2013, 05:07:58 PM
I'm with the protesters too. But that's because I love a protest movement and I think Erdogan's been around too long, it'll do everyone good for the party managers to move him on.
I actually agree with you on this.

Sounds fine to me.  I have no particular love of Erdogan, I just wanted to see a democratic government survive a religious conservative in office.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tamas

#108
June 04, 2013, 01:29:13 AM
if I took Psellus' reasoning and replaced AKP with FIDESZ, and that other party with MSZP, I would arrive at the exact rhetoric FIDESZ supporters use to justify their support for the slide into dictatorship: AT LEAST IT IS NOT THE OTHER GUYS!!!


Tamas

#109
June 04, 2013, 01:29:37 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 03, 2013, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: Tamas on June 03, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
Well, I am still with the protesters though. Fuck bigotry and fucking religion-induced personal life micromanager laws. That kind of shit will eventually ruin any country.

And fascists and thugs being out in force? Well of course. Regardless of how noble the cause of civil unrest is, it will always be the violent scum on the initial front line.

What sort of bigotry are we talking about?  The Euro Islamaphobia type that so infests countries like Hungary?  I don't think they protesting that.

Raz, take your meds.

Tamas

#110
June 04, 2013, 01:40:16 AM
Also, I saw mentioned, a supposedly announced AKP plan to move toward a Presidential system with widespread powers for the future President (hmmm, wonder who might that be). Is that legit?
If yes, does that still worth it Psellus just to keep secularists out of power?

Martinus

#111
June 04, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 01, 2013, 03:11:10 AM
Who were those idiots who thought Erdogan is a good thing for Turkey again? Come forward and admit you were wrong.

I can see that not only this has not happened but the pro-AKP idiots are in full swing.

Martinus

#112
June 04, 2013, 01:48:44 AM
Quote from: Jacob on June 03, 2013, 04:56:50 PM
What do you mean by "sexual deviants"?

It's an internationally famous gay cruising area. Of course he knows it, which makes his backtracking about "country bumpkins" (which there is no evidence about at all on all kinds of internet write-ups about the park) all the more laughable.

Martinus

#113
June 04, 2013, 01:51:52 AM
While this protest is obviously not about gay rights (at least not only), it's about the slide of Turkey into religious right wing fundamentalism. There is a reason why this is happening in Istanbul.

This is as much a protest about trees and a park as Stonewall was about a club opening hours. Sometimes seemingly small things spark huge protests.

Razgovory

#114
June 04, 2013, 01:52:19 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 04, 2013, 01:29:13 AM
if I took Psellus' reasoning and replaced AKP with FIDESZ, and that other party with MSZP, I would arrive at the exact rhetoric FIDESZ supporters use to justify their support for the slide into dictatorship: AT LEAST IT IS NOT THE OTHER GUYS!!!

Except Psellus isn't endorsing a dictatorship.  Viking on the other hand is, using the reasoning that "THE OTHER GUYS" will create a dictatorship so it's best to beat them at the punch.

Look at yourself Tamas, you are with Viking endorsing a Socialist dictatorship over a democratically elected economic liberal government.  And why?  Because they are Muslims?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#115
June 04, 2013, 01:53:34 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 04, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 01, 2013, 03:11:10 AM
Who were those idiots who thought Erdogan is a good thing for Turkey again? Come forward and admit you were wrong.

I can see that not only this has not happened but the pro-AKP idiots are in full swing.

Because nobody has admitted the failure of Turkish Democracy because there is a protest over a public park?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Martinus

#116
June 04, 2013, 01:55:18 AM
Tamas, stop responding to Raz. He is an obstinate, obnoxious and deliberately obtuse moron - there is no point arguing against him. Btw, didn't he announce recently he won't be posting his bullshit in this forum any more? I knew that was too good to be true.

Razgovory

#117
June 04, 2013, 02:00:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 04, 2013, 01:55:18 AM
Tamas, stop responding to Raz. He is an obstinate, obnoxious and deliberately obtuse moron - there is no point arguing against him. Btw, didn't he announce recently he won't be posting his bullshit in this forum any more? I knew that was too good to be true.

No, I said I was taking a vacation for a week.  And I did.  I'll be leaving again for about five days so you bask in ignorance once more.

But still, at the end of the day, this is not a protest about the coming theocracy you guys seem to be dreading.  At least I can understand your support for the protesters.  You actually lean socialist. 
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tamas

#118
June 04, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 04, 2013, 01:55:18 AM
Tamas, stop responding to Raz. He is an obstinate, obnoxious and deliberately obtuse moron - there is no point arguing against him. Btw, didn't he announce recently he won't be posting his bullshit in this forum any more? I knew that was too good to be true.

I tend to agree. At least Psellus has his hard-on for anything east of the Bosporus so he has some excuse on siding with the creeping theocracy. But Raz just saw that the initial posts were pro-protesters and decided to side with the Turkish Tea Party just so he can argue.

Razgovory

#119
June 04, 2013, 02:11:43 AM
I would rather side with the tea party then a dictatorship.  I Guess you don't feel the same way.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017
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