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Will Taiwan Defect to China?

Started by jimmy olsen, May 25, 2009, 09:16:32 AM

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Queequeg

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2009, 05:08:29 PM
Wow it would sure be terrible if another source of global discontent was solved without us having to do anything.
:lol:

That was my first thought.  Timmy reading this and screaming "OH MY GOD THIS ISN'T DONE BY US THIS IS TERRIBLE!"
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2009, 02:55:31 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 25, 2009, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 25, 2009, 01:21:28 PM
Do you actually think that America could defeat China in a war?
We shut down a few ports and there's a revolution in China fairly quickly, I'd think.  It would mostly be naval, while we supply anti-PRC forces in South-East Asia and the non-Han Eastern provinces.  The trouble is that the Chicoms would be liable to launch their birds well before they loose power.

I think that scenario highly unlikely.  The Chinese have shown themselves recently to be quite patriotic and nationalistic.  In the unlikely event of a US-PRC war I imagine the populace would rush to support the Communist Party.

That's exactly what happened when Hitler invaded the USSR.  Stalin's government was much worse than the current Communist rules of China, and had only been in power 20 years or so at that point.  Yet the populace rallied behind Stalin.
One of the reasons was Hitler's genocidal policies. If he had acted in a more rational fashion Stalin would have had much more trouble.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2009, 05:08:29 PM
Wow it would sure be terrible if another source of global discontent was solved without us having to do anything.
20 million people being betrayed into totalitarian slavery is solving a source of global discontent? I see it as one of the worst events to happen in decades.
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Barrister

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2009, 05:34:57 PM
One of the reasons was Hitler's genocidal policies. If he had acted in a more rational fashion Stalin would have had much more trouble.

Really disagree.

His genocidal policies weren't really known until later in the war - certainly not in '41 and not amongst the Russian peasantry.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2009, 05:40:30 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2009, 05:34:57 PM
One of the reasons was Hitler's genocidal policies. If he had acted in a more rational fashion Stalin would have had much more trouble.

Really disagree.

His genocidal policies weren't really known until later in the war - certainly not in '41 and not amongst the Russian peasantry.
Well I was thinking more about the Ukrainians than the Russians.
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Pat

China has coal, but relies on imports for many other resources including oil. Blockade the narrow strait of Singapore and much of their military-industrial complex will grind to a halt as reserves of strategic resources deplete.

China knows this, of course - hence the Arakan-Kunming pipeline and even the talks of a chinese-controlled canal through the Malay peninsula in Thailand.

Queequeg

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2009, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2009, 05:08:29 PM
Wow it would sure be terrible if another source of global discontent was solved without us having to do anything.
20 million people being betrayed into totalitarian slavery is solving a source of global discontent? I see it as one of the worst events to happen in decades.
:lmfao:
Totalitarian Slavery?  That's a little harsh even for the Uyghurs and Tibetans, let alone the average Chinese citizen. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

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Quote from: Queequeg on May 25, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
Foodstuffs?  The quickest way to have a revolution is to have cities full of poorly educated recent migrants from the countryside with high expectations to suddenly have no food. 
China is very largely food-self-sufficient.  It imports meats, mostly.
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Quote from: miglia on May 25, 2009, 05:56:16 PM
China has coal, but relies on imports for many other resources including oil. Blockade the narrow strait of Singapore and much of their military-industrial complex will grind to a halt as reserves of strategic resources deplete.
That would simply give them a timetable for the conquest of the Southern Resource Area.  I think we have been down this path before.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2009, 05:37:07 PM
20 million people being betrayed into totalitarian slavery is solving a source of global discontent? I see it as one of the worst events to happen in decades.

The population of China going from 1,320,000,000 to 1,340,000,000 is indeed the worst thing in history.

Hey they gave Hong Kong autonomy they would probably give Taiwan some sort of special deal.
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Quote from: miglia on May 25, 2009, 05:56:16 PMeven the talks of a chinese-controlled canal through the Malay peninsula in Thailand.

That could easily be blockaded too. I don't see the point.
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It would make some sense for Taiwan to defect to China, now that China is turning itself into Taiwan.
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