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2016 elections - because it's never too early

Started by merithyn, May 09, 2013, 07:37:45 AM

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CountDeMoney

That's the interesting thing about the whole Megyn Kelly brouhaha: she won't swoon for him, and he simply cannot abide that, and will not let it go.

She vexes him.  He is terribly vexed.

mongers

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 30, 2016, 06:26:18 PM
That's the interesting thing about the whole Megyn Kelly brouhaha: she won't swoon for him, and he simply cannot abide that, and will not let it go.

She vexes him.  He is terribly vexed.

Good help us if bizarrely she eventually did.  :x

I would be like the Murdoch / Jerry Hall hookup on acid.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Phillip V

Quote from: merithyn on March 30, 2016, 03:30:23 PM
This is indicative of why I fear a Trump Presidency. It's not what he's saying. It's that he's reacting without thinking. He's so ridiculously simplistic in his responses, with zero understanding of the nuances of much of anything.

"If they broke the law, they should be punished." It's really not that cut and dried. If it were, prostitutes would still be arrested, though most of the time it's now the customers who are. Why? Because of the nuances present in that kind of situation.

Arrest a woman so desperate that she already risked her life by going to a back-alley abortion clinic? How does that serve anyone? How does that help anyone? Where is the benefit to our society in doing something like that?

Damn.  I now support a brokered convention stealing the nomination from Trump.  The guy reached an even lower low of speaking like a hateful idiot.

DGuller

Will this be the moment when Trump truly does go too far and come crashing down?  Maybe for him 37th time was the charm.

sbr

http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

Hopefully people can get past the source (I came across it on Twitter), as I thought it was interesting.

QuoteAn Open Letter to Trump Voters from His Top Strategist-Turned-Defector

I respect Trump's fans. That's why I can no longer support the man himself.

STEPHANIE CEGIELSKI  MAR 28, 2016

Even Trump's most trusted advisors didn't expect him to fare this well.

Almost a year ago, recruited for my public relations and public policy expertise, I sat in Trump Tower being told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count. That was it.

The Trump camp would have been satisfied to see him polling at 12% and taking second place to a candidate who might hold 50%. His candidacy was a protest candidacy.

It pains me to say, but he is the presidential equivalent of Sanjaya on American Idol. President Trump would be President Sanjaya in terms of legitimacy and authority.

And I am now taking full responsibility for helping create this monster — and reaching out directly to those voters who, like me, wanted Trump to be the real deal.


My support for Trump began probably like yours did. Similar to so many other Americans, I was tired of the rhetoric in Washington. Negativity and stubbornness were at an all-time high, and the presidential prospects didn't look promising.

In 2015, I fell in love with the idea of the protest candidate who was not bought by corporations. A man who sat in a Manhattan high-rise he had built, making waves as a straight talker with a business background, full of successes and failures, who wanted America to return to greatness.

I was sold.

Last summer, I signed on as the Communications Director of the Make America Great Again Super PAC.

It was still early in the Trump campaign, and we hit the ground running. His biggest competitor had more than $100 million in a Super PAC. The Jeb Bush deep pockets looked to be the biggest obstacle we faced. We seemed to be up against a steep challenge, especially since a big part of the appeal of a Trump candidacy was not being influenced by PAC money

After the first debate, I was more anxious than ever to support Trump. The exchange with Megyn Kelly was like manna from heaven for a communications director. She appeared like yet another reporter trying to kick out the guest who wasn't invited to the party. At the time, I felt excited for the change to the debate he could bring. I began realizing the man really resonates with the masses and would bring people to the process who had never participated before.

That was inspiring to me.


It wasn't long before every day I awoke to a buzzing phone and a shaking head because Trump had said something politically incorrect the night before. I have been around politics long enough to know that the other side will pounce on any and every opportunity to smear a candidate.

But something surprising and absolutely unexpected happened. Every other candidate misestimated the anger and outrage of the "silent majority" of Americans who are not a part of the liberal elite. So with each statement came a jump in the polls. Just when I thought we were finished, The Donald gained more popularity.

I don't think even Trump thought he would get this far. And I don't even know that he wanted to, which is perhaps the scariest prospect of all.

He certainly was never prepared or equipped to go all the way to the White House, but his ego has now taken over the driver's seat, and nothing else matters. The Donald does not fail. The Donald does not have any weakness. The Donald is his own biggest enemy.

A devastating terrorist attack in Pakistan targeting Christians occurred on Easter Sunday, and Trump's response was to tweet, "Another radical Islamic attack, this time in Pakistan, targeting Christian women & children. At least 67 dead, 400 injured. I alone can solve."

Ignoring the fact that at the time Trump tweeted this (time-stamped 4:37 p.m.) the latest news reports had already placed the number differently at 70 dead, 300 injured, take a moment to appreciate the ridiculous, cartoonish, almost childish arrogance of saying that he alone can solve. Does Trump think that he is making a cameo on Wrestlemania (yes, one of his actual credits)?

This is not how foreign policy works. For anyone. Ever.

Superhero powers where "I alone can solve" problems are not real. They do not exist for Batman, for Superman, for Wrestlemania and definitely not for Donald Trump.

What was once Trump's desire to rank second place to send a message to America and to increase his power as a businessman has nightmarishly morphed into a charade that is poised to do irreparable damage to this country if we do not stop this campaign in its tracks.

I'll say it again: Trump never intended to be the candidate. But his pride is too out of control to stop him now.

You can give Trump the biggest gift possible if you are a Trump supporter: stop supporting him.

He doesn't want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He's achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.

The hard truth is: Trump only cares about Trump.

And if you are one of the disaffected voters — one of the silent majority like me — who wanted a candidate who could be your voice, I want to speak directly to you as one of his biggest advocates and supporters.

He is not that voice. He is not your voice. He is only Trump's voice.

Trump is about Trump. Not one of his many wives. Not one of his many "pieces of ass." He is, at heart, a self-preservationist.

In fact, many people are not aware of the Trump campaign's internal slogan, but I will tell you. It is stolen from a make-believe television presidency on The West Wing where Martin Sheen portrayed President Bartlet. The slogan on the show amongst the idealistic group of Bartlet's staff was "Let Bartlet Be Bartlet."

Inside the Trump camp, the slogan became "Let Trump Be Trump."

It is a repurposed slogan that seemed spot-on for the candidate. He is an intelligent, charismatic man who is involved in every aspect of his organization and would rather speak from the cuff than read briefing notes and recite them. I, in fact, admire Trump for this. But saying this qualifies him to be president is like saying that Seth Rogen is suited to be president. Another extraordinary improvisor, not an extraordinary presidential candidate.

Trump has undoubtedly lived up to the slogan, right down to his main public-relations liaison. Rather than go for a focus-group Washington insider, his communications person had previously taken press calls for the Trump Organization and directed them to the appropriate Trump child. She joked that before joining the campaign she thought "Common Core" was a class at Equinox.

The primary problem with this? What I've seen the longer I've helped prop him up along with the millions who are helping Trump is that we got the slogan wrong. A more accurate internal slogan would read, "Let Trump Help Trump."

I don't dismiss any single Trump constituent, which is why I believe it's important to let you know that the candidate does.

I, too, think our country has gone off track in its values. I, too, think that we need a dramatic change of course. But I am, in my heart, a policy wonk and a believer in coming to the table with necessary knowledge for leading the free world.

The man does not know policy, nor does he have the humility to admit what he does not know — the most frightening position of all.

I remember watching the second Trump debate and thinking, After this, he is going to have to start hammering it home on policy; the country needs substance to make an informed decision.

I wished for it six months ago and am still waiting for it today. He had an opportunity after the terror attacks in Belgium and instead he used the opportunity to talk about closing the borders and what a mess that country had become. I was appalled that he offered no condolences or words of support; he merely gave his "build a wall" stump speech and talked about his greatness.

I felt sad for him at that moment.

And now, with the latest horrifying terror attack in Pakistan, my sadness has turned into anger.

I consider myself a part of the silent majority that led to Trump's rise, which is why I want you to know that I am with you — I wanted Trump to be real, too.

He is not.

He even says so himself. His misogyny? That's the character.

His presidential candidacy? That's a character, too.

The problem with characters is they are the stuff of soap operas and sitcoms and reality competitions — not political legacies.

Trump made me believe. Until I woke up.

And he has no problem abusing your support the same way he cheated hard-working men and women out of millions of dollars, for which he is now being sued.

I came into this eager to support a savvy businessman who received little outside funding. I loved Trump's outsider status. But a year has now passed since I was first approached to become part of Team Trump.

While the pundits pontificated about what type of PR stunt Trump had up his billion-dollar sleeves, I met with people who convinced me he was serious about changing the political conversation. I wanted to raise millions for him. I wanted to contribute to millions of votes.

And as part of that support, in October, I supported the internal decision to close the Super PAC in order to position him as the quintessential non-politician. I still supported him with great passion after that. The decision to close the Super PAC was part of that devotion to his message of outsider change.

But something was shifting.

Without intending to do so, I began to hear and evaluate him more critically and skeptically as a member of the voting public rather than a communications person charged with protecting his positions.

I no longer felt that he was the leader the country was looking for, and I found myself longing — aching, really — for policy substance that went beyond building a wall and making Mexico pay for it. What were once bold — although controversial — statements now seemed to be attempts to please the crowds, not direction to lead this country to a better place. I began to realize his arrogance and isolation had taken over and were now controlling his message.

And here's what he tapped into: the unprecedented, unbelievable anger.

Because we are all angry — and we all have a right to be. But Trump is not our champion. He would stab any one of his supporters in the back if it earned him a cent more in his pocket.

Unfortunately, the more vitriolic Trump has become, the more the people responded to him. That drove him to push the boundaries further and further.

I also started seeing a trend of incompetence and deniability.

When there was a tweet that contained an error, he would blame it on an intern; when there was a photo containing a World War II Nazi Germany background, he would blame it on an intern; when he answered questions in an overtly controversial fashion, he would claim that he did not properly hear the question. He refused to take responsibility for his actions while frequently demanding apologies from others.

Imagine Trump wronged you, even in the smallest possible way. He would go to the grave denying he had ever done anything wrong to you — ever.

Trump acts as if he's a fictional character. But like Hercules, Donald Trump is a work of fiction.

No matter how many times he repeats it, Trump would not be the "best" at being a president, being in shape, fighting terrorism, selling steaks, and whatever other "best" claim he has made in the last 15 minutes.

He would be the best at something, though. He is the best at looking out for Donald Trump — at all costs.

Don't let our country pay that price.

Eddie Teach

How shocking that making abortion illegal would involve punishment for women who got them. Clearly, this changes everything. :mellow:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

alfred russel

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 30, 2016, 07:22:07 PM
How shocking that making abortion illegal would involve punishment for women who got them. Clearly, this changes everything. :mellow:

I get that the pro life movement generally wants to sanctions against the doctors instead, but I don't see the big deal either. I think Trump's unamended position is still preferable to say the Rubio position of being against abortion in cases of rape or incest.

Anyway, even before this Trump was down 10 in Wisconsin. Maybe this will be attributed as the factor, but he was Cruzing for a butt kicking anyway.

I'm sorry.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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-garbon, February 23, 2014

alfred russel

So BB, I haven't seen your opinion in a while. Are you starting to come around that Trump won't be the nominee?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Barrister

Quote from: alfred russel on March 30, 2016, 08:49:45 PM
So BB, I haven't seen your opinion in a while. Are you starting to come around that Trump won't be the nominee?

I allow myself a tiny sliver of hope that he won't, but mostly no.

The projections that have him not winning a majority of delegates have him really, really close to 1270.  It would be one thing  if he was noticeably short, but if he's at 48-49% of delegates It's going to be awfully hard to deny him the nomination.

Plus he's got New York coming up.
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Lettow77

Quote from: merithyn on March 30, 2016, 03:30:23 PM
"If they broke the law, they should be punished." It's really not that cut and dried.


Quote
Arrest a woman so desperate that she already risked her life by going to a back-alley abortion clinic? How does that serve anyone? How does that help anyone? Where is the benefit to our society in doing something like that?

Well, it helps forestall the termination of life, uphold moral decency, and helps the birth rate.
It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

Monoriu

Quote from: Barrister on March 30, 2016, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 30, 2016, 08:49:45 PM
So BB, I haven't seen your opinion in a while. Are you starting to come around that Trump won't be the nominee?

I allow myself a tiny sliver of hope that he won't, but mostly no.

The projections that have him not winning a majority of delegates have him really, really close to 1270.  It would be one thing  if he was noticeably short, but if he's at 48-49% of delegates It's going to be awfully hard to deny him the nomination.

Plus he's got New York coming up.

The other problem I see is that if it isn't Trump, it will likely be Cruz.  I am not too thrilled about him either. 

alfred russel

Quote from: Barrister on March 30, 2016, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 30, 2016, 08:49:45 PM
So BB, I haven't seen your opinion in a while. Are you starting to come around that Trump won't be the nominee?

I allow myself a tiny sliver of hope that he won't, but mostly no.

The projections that have him not winning a majority of delegates have him really, really close to 1270.  It would be one thing  if he was noticeably short, but if he's at 48-49% of delegates It's going to be awfully hard to deny him the nomination.

Plus he's got New York coming up.

I hear you, but he is under 50% of delegates right now, below the 538 projection of where he should be, and if the polling is to be believed is in danger of getting outright skunked in Wisconsin, a state he was supposed to do reasonably well in (he probably will get a handful of delegates though).

NY isn't for almost 3 weeks. With so much of his campaign being based on "trump the winner", will he really seem like such a winner when he starts to lose?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

alfred russel

Quote from: Monoriu on March 30, 2016, 09:07:08 PM

The other problem I see is that if it isn't Trump, it will likely be Cruz.  I am not too thrilled about him either.

I think I can say that Cruz would be the worst nominee of either party in my lifetime. He is still light years better than Trump. I assume either candidate will probably lose, but Trump brings some really big problems even in a losing campaign.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Monoriu

I hereby decide that my irrelevant opinion of the candidates is -

Hillary > Sanders > Cruz > Trump.  Kasich has no real hope of getting the nomination. 

Hillary is the choice for the status quo.  Sanders is the socialist and protectionist candidate.  I strongly disagree with his positions on minimum wage, free tuition and trade barriers, but he at least won't do something that is outlandish.  Sanders is someone I can agree to disagree with.  The same cannot be said of the other two candidates.  I am highly uncomfortable with the religious undertones of Cruz and the unpredictability of Trump. 

Phillip V

Quote from: Monoriu on March 30, 2016, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 30, 2016, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 30, 2016, 08:49:45 PM
So BB, I haven't seen your opinion in a while. Are you starting to come around that Trump won't be the nominee?

I allow myself a tiny sliver of hope that he won't, but mostly no.

The projections that have him not winning a majority of delegates have him really, really close to 1270.  It would be one thing  if he was noticeably short, but if he's at 48-49% of delegates It's going to be awfully hard to deny him the nomination.

Plus he's got New York coming up.

The other problem I see is that if it isn't Trump, it will likely be Cruz.  I am not too thrilled about him either. 

A brokered convention would give the nomination to a new candidate, not the distant second place guy nobody likes.