2016 elections - because it's never too early

[Berkut]

Yeah, Raz is doing a good job here expressing my point.

Out.

[Berkut]

My own view on Sanders is that out of the two possible "down with the establishment" candidates, he is vastly preferable to Trump.

Out of the Dems, it is a lot harder to choose. Clinton is a moderate, and I agree with her on policy a lot more than Sanders. A LOT more. However...if the Republican hold on the House and Senate persists, then no Democratic President is going to get anything done anyway, so what difference will her policy positions make? The dumb ass Tea Party dominated Republicans will just refuse to govern, so there won't be any fundamental changes in any case, and as far as the power of the President outside those bounds, what will Sanders do that would be so terrible? I can think of a few things, but they are not huge, with the exception of foreign policy. I would be very, very concerned about Sanders foreign policy.

But Clinton is also just another run of the mill politician who won't even make an effort to change any of the fundamental problems of the country. She is bought and paid for, and will remain bought and paid for, and it would be another 4 or 8 years of a President who will do exactly what those who paid to make her President want her to do. However, the reason I come down on her side in the end is that in the arena of where the President has actual power, in foreign policy, I think she would do pretty well. She strikes me as reasonably savvy and tough where needed, and I am not convinced Sanders is either.

But maybe Sanders would be worth the risk in that his election would, at least, send a clear signal that Americans really are tired of our political process being driven almost exclusively by the corruption of the democratic process. Perhaps we have reached a point where it takes someone pretty bonkers to actually represent that, so we get a choice between a "social democrat" and a political Know-Nothing demagogue for those who actually are willing to buck the system.

[Razgovory]

Let's give Berkut some time to Google up one Democrat who said such a thing, so that it doesn't look like he just made shit up.

Okay, he had his chance.

[Admiral Yi]

He's literally known as the "amendment king", so that's not true. He's had a surprising impact on legislation.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

"Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders."

It's hard to figure out exactly what claim the author of your article is making.

[Eddie Teach]

Let's give Berkut some time to Google up one Democrat who said such a thing, so that it doesn't look like he just made shit up.

Okay, he had his chance.

He was talking about you, not politicians.

[Eddie Teach]

He's literally known as the "amendment king", so that's not true. He's had a surprising impact on legislation.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

"Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders."

It's hard to figure out exactly what claim the author of your article is making.

Sounds to me like he proposed the most amendments to bills that got accepted and passed.

[grumbler]

He's literally known as the "amendment king", so that's not true. He's had a surprising impact on legislation.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

"Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders."

It's hard to figure out exactly what claim the author of your article is making.

If you look at the amendments, they are trivial.  They are exactly the kinds of sops the big boys can toss to the peanut gallery to garner one more vote.  Being called "the amendment king" by something called alternet.org isn't much of a qualification to be president.  It doesn't hurt, but it also doesn't impress. 

[Phillip V]

New poll now out for South Carolina.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/rep/screp.html

Trump- 35%
Kasich- 15%
Rubio- 14%
Cruz- 12%
Bush- 10%
Carson- 2%

[Berkut]

He's literally known as the "amendment king", so that's not true. He's had a surprising impact on legislation.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

"Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders."

It's hard to figure out exactly what claim the author of your article is making.

If you look at the amendments, they are trivial.  They are exactly the kinds of sops the big boys can toss to the peanut gallery to garner one more vote.  Being called "the amendment king" by something called alternet.org isn't much of a qualification to be president.  It doesn't hurt, but it also doesn't impress. 

It is a rather odd thing to hang a hat on, isn't it?

Hey check out Bernie for President, he get amendments? Huh?

[Razgovory]

Let's give Berkut some time to Google up one Democrat who said such a thing, so that it doesn't look like he just made shit up.

Okay, he had his chance.

He was talking about you, not politicians.

I'm well aware, and he still retains the inability to actually read someone's post before ranting on and on.  We are so lucky to have clear-eyed Berkut, who without the baggage of tribe, race, religion or the ability to internalize what others are saying, can show us how we are blinded by such petty things.

"Someone disagrees with me?  Tribalism!"

"A Democrat agrees with another Democrat?  Typical.  Tribalism!"

"A Democrat disagrees with a Republican?  Tribalism!"

"A Democrat agrees with a Republican?  That's like double Tribalism!".

[Habbaku]

New poll now out for South Carolina.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/rep/screp.html

Trump- 35%
Kasich- 15%
Rubio- 14%
Cruz- 12%
Bush- 10%
Carson- 2%

  IT'S HAPPENING

[Razgovory]

Seriously?  You are Trump guy?

[Eddie Teach]

The Kasich Express is getting started! Oops, the engineer fell asleep listening to Kasich talk...

[Razgovory]

What a weird debate.

[Phillip V]

What a weird debate.

Summary of key crazy points tonight, be it Trump blaming GWB for 9/11 or Cruz speaking Spanish to Rubio. 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/2016-gop-debate-biggest-moments-219253