2016 elections - because it's never too early

[Martinus]

Lol, Trump doesn't even fit on the scale

What's the point of a "libertarian" circle, if Rand Paul is the only one in it?

In what possible way is Fiorina "establishment"?

There might not be many libertarian leaning candidates, but there are lots of libertarian leaning voters.

A former CEO, who was the party's choice to run for a senate seat sounds pretty establishment. None of her political views seem to fall outside of what you would expect. Perhaps it might be appropriate to move her a bit closer to the Christain conservative sphere given her fiery prolife rhetoric in the last debate, but other than that her placement seems alright.

Yeah, I wonder what Beeb considers as the "establishment" if the big business candidate is not one. 

[Berkut]

He looks antifragile, the more the media attack him the more popular he gets. 

It's a GOP primary. They view the media as their enemy.

I can't imagine why - the media has been falling all over itself to give Trump a pulpit to spew his bullshit.

[Malthus]

I must admit, as an outsider, to being totally puzzled by Trump's popularity. Is it just a big middle finger extended at 'the political establishment' or not? To us up here in Canada, he just looks and sounds like a hideous troll.

[Habbaku]

His quality as a hideous troll is a huge part of his appeal.

[Berkut]

I think Trump (and the Trump phenomenon) is fucking fascinating.

Actually, I take that back - the phenomenon is fascinating, Trump himself is boring as fuck.

He is a consequence of our completely fucked up political system. He is the end result, or one of them, of a long series of utterly ridiculous evolution's in US politics - the failure of campaign finance reform, the polarization of the parties, a decade of Republican refusal to govern, the previous decade of Democrats vilifying and demonizing Bush.

We are at a place where the "Trump" is possible not because he is a real candidate, but because the real candidates are so fucking transparently fake.

[DGuller]

I must admit, as an outsider, to being totally puzzled by Trump's popularity. Is it just a big middle finger extended at 'the political establishment' or not? To us up here in Canada, he just looks and sounds like a hideous troll.

I've said it before, but I think you can get a pretty distorted idea of Trump's appeal if you just watch the snippets.  You come away thinking that all he's doing is spewing insults left and right, whereas he actually does have a narrative that can fool people if you listen to it in entirety.  It's a content-less narrative, more or less, but it's delivered with gusto.

[Razgovory]

I must admit, as an outsider, to being totally puzzled by Trump's popularity. Is it just a big middle finger extended at 'the political establishment' or not? To us up here in Canada, he just looks and sounds like a hideous troll.

I think that's part of it.  I think another part of it is the fact he's a celebrity and these people are fans of his show.

[derspiess]

I think Trump (and the Trump phenomenon) is fucking fascinating.

Actually, I take that back - the phenomenon is fascinating, Trump himself is boring as fuck.

He is a consequence of our completely fucked up political system. He is the end result, or one of them, of a long series of utterly ridiculous evolution's in US politics - the failure of campaign finance reform, the polarization of the parties, a decade of Republican refusal to govern, the previous decade of Democrats vilifying and demonizing Bush.

We are at a place where the "Trump" is possible not because he is a real candidate, but because the real candidates are so fucking transparently fake.

You need to say "fuck" a few more times before I'm interested in reading this.

[KRonn]

I think Trump (and the Trump phenomenon) is fucking fascinating.

Actually, I take that back - the phenomenon is fascinating, Trump himself is boring as fuck.

He is a consequence of our completely fucked up political system. He is the end result, or one of them, of a long series of utterly ridiculous evolution's in US politics - the failure of campaign finance reform, the polarization of the parties, a decade of Republican refusal to govern, the previous decade of Democrats vilifying and demonizing Bush.

We are at a place where the "Trump" is possible not because he is a real candidate, but because the real candidates are so fucking transparently fake.

True to a great extent. People are so fed up with the BS that they're looking for someone very different, thinking that that someone will have a chance to clean up the political mess and systemic corruption. Same reason Carson and Fiorina are up there in pols. Same goes for Sanders on the Dem side of things. At least right now for all of them.

[Grey Fox]

We are at a place where the "Trump" is possible not because he is a real candidate, but because the real candidates are so fucking transparently fake.

This.

If you are not politicaly savy, it's the first time in a long time that a candidate is someone you know and heard of. And he's pushing shit into the face of people you don't know nor care about while making it fun.

21st Century Politics, entertainment the same way the Kardashians are.

[jimmy olsen]

Fox News poll 9/22  ____ Change since last poll on 8/13

Trump - 26%  ____ +1%
Carson - 18% ____ +6%
Fiorina - 9% ____ +4%
Rubio - 9% ____ +5%
Cruz - 8% ____ -2%
Jeb! - 7% ____ -2%
Christie - 5% ____ +2%
Kasich - 4% ____ 0%
Huckabee - 3% ____ -3%
Paul - 2% ____ -1%
Pataki - 1% ____ 0%
Santorum - 0% ---- -1%
Jindal - 0% ---- -1%
Graham - 0% ----  0%
Gilmore - 0% ---- 0%
Walker - * ____ -6%
Perry - * ____ -1%

Dems
Clinton 44% ____ -5%
Sanders 30% ____ 0%
Biden 18% ____ +8%
O'Malley 2% ____ +1%
Webb 1% ____ 0%
Chafee 0% ____ 0%

[jimmy olsen]

Bloomberg came out with their first poll of the cycle.

Clinton 33%
Sanders 24%
Biden 25%
O'Malley 1%
Webb 2%
Chafee 0% 

[DGuller]

Wow, Pataki has surged way clear of the rest of the special ed class.

[jimmy olsen]

Apparently Mitt Romeny was born a middle aged man. 

https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=PlYEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA69&dq=george+romney&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mitt has been hard to convince. He asks things like 'Daddy, if we're so good why do we only have three percent of the market?' or 'When'll we be one of the big three?'

[DGuller]

Apparently Mitt Romeny was born a middle aged man. 

And he'll die a middle aged man, whenever that happens.