Israel Says It Has Proof That Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons

[11B4V]

Obama is waiting for all the facts to come in.

[Viking]

Obama is waiting for all the facts to come in.

The cheese eating surrender monkeys said so, what more proof do you need?

[Sheilbh]

Read bits of the UN report. Regardless of chemical weapons it's clear both sides are committing war crimes every day. It's pretty awful

[11B4V]

Obama is waiting for all the facts to come in.

The cheese eating surrender monkeys said so, what more proof do you need?

You answered you're on question.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah, what is france going to do about it?

If nothing more the UK and France will start arming the rebels soon, that much is clear, and mad.

[Razgovory]

Wait, when did thermobaric weapons become banned?

[Viking]

Yeah, what is france going to do about it?

If nothing more the UK and France will start arming the rebels soon, that much is clear, and mad.

Is it mad to arm the rebels in general or is it mad to arm the present rebels because the secular liberal rebels have all died in the avant guard of the rebellion.

[Tonitrus]

My armchair-quarterback analysis that it is too late for Syria to go any but one of two ways:

- An even more antagonistic Assad-run, Hezbollah terrorist state.
- A rabid Islamic/Al-Qaeda terrorist state.

[Sheilbh]

Is it mad to arm the rebels in general or is it mad to arm the present rebels because the secular liberal rebels have all died in the avant guard of the rebellion.

I've never been sold on the 'secular liberal rebels'. Even if there were any they'd all be shouting Salafi slogans because the people with money are the Saudis and Qataris. It's mad to arm the rebels at all.

When there's no good options, there's no good foreseeable outcome it's sometimes best to wait. I think arming the rebels would be an example of 'something-must-be-done!'-ism

In my view sometimes it's best to do nothing. I think this is one of them.

I'd possibly change if there was widespread use of chemical weapons or if neighbouring countries were beginning to be really dragged in, especially Israel.

[Viking]

There aren't any secular liberal rebels, they are all dead or have "converted" for filthy saudi and qatari lucre.

As a general rule, when all options, including doing nothing, are bad. Does one go with the least of the evils available or does one wash ones hands of moral culpability by doing nothing?

[Sheilbh]

As a general rule, when all options, including doing nothing, are bad. Does one go with the least of the evils available or does one wash ones hands of moral culpability by doing nothing?

Sometimes you should be Gladstone, sometimes you should be Salisbury. This is a case of the latter. 'Moral culpability' ( ) should have a generally small part of decisions like this.

[Viking]

As a general rule, when all options, including doing nothing, are bad. Does one go with the least of the evils available or does one wash ones hands of moral culpability by doing nothing?

Sometimes you should be Gladstone, sometimes you should be Salisbury. This is a case of the latter. 'Moral culpability' ( ) should have a generally small part of decisions like this.

So, in this case, what is this "something" you want to do then? And why should "it weren't me guv'" be a reason for not acting?

[Sheilbh]

So, in this case, what is this "something" you want to do then? And why should "it weren't me guv'" be a reason for not acting?

We shouldn't do anything, beyond putting pressure on the Russians and keeping a beady eye on Hezbollah. If situations change then acting could be justified.

It's our blood and treasure. I think there should be a compelling reason to act, in my view, there isn't. I thought and still more or less think the same on Libya though I think that was more justified.

[Viking]

Let Iran and Russia destroy Syria fighting through their proxies?

[Sheilbh]

Let Iran and Russia destroy Syria fighting through their proxies?

Not just Iran and Russia: Turkey, Saudi and Qatar are joining in. But, short of a very good reason to intervene, then I think that's the best choice for us.