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Your favourite flawed end-of-cold-war hero?

Started by Martinus, April 11, 2013, 09:44:33 AM

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Today, which of the flawed end-of-cold-war heroes you like/respect/admire the most?

Reagan
9 (20.9%)
Thatcher
8 (18.6%)
John Paul II
7 (16.3%)
Kohl
1 (2.3%)
Mitterand
3 (7%)
Walesa
1 (2.3%)
Gorbachev
14 (32.6%)

Total Members Voted: 43

Barrister

Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 11, 2013, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 11, 2013, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 11, 2013, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 11, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
So, who is on the list of unflawed Cold War heroes?
Eisenhower?
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He got caught on tape :contract:
Caught on tape being a hero.
He decommissioned the New Jersey (BB-62), I thought you would hate the guy.
But he kept it in reserve for when it would be needed again.  A wise policy.

My true hatred is for Attlee and his clique, who scrapped all those lovely old dreadnoughts after the war.

Neil is a complicated man.

But no one understands him but his woman.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

HVC

Quote from: Barrister on April 11, 2013, 03:27:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 11, 2013, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 11, 2013, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 11, 2013, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 11, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
So, who is on the list of unflawed Cold War heroes?
Eisenhower?
<------
He got caught on tape :contract:
Caught on tape being a hero.
He decommissioned the New Jersey (BB-62), I thought you would hate the guy.
But he kept it in reserve for when it would be needed again.  A wise policy.

My true hatred is for Attlee and his clique, who scrapped all those lovely old dreadnoughts after the war.

Neil is a complicated man.

But no one understands him but his woman.
hopefully his wife doesn't find out.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Eddie Teach

Neil doesn't stick his neck out for anyone.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Viking

Quote from: HVC on April 11, 2013, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 11, 2013, 03:27:23 PM

Neil is a complicated man.

But no one understands him but his woman.
hopefully his wife doesn't find out.

Seriously even I got that reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pFlsufZj9Fg#t=200s

and I'm usually completely blinkered
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

HVC

Quote from: Viking on April 11, 2013, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: HVC on April 11, 2013, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 11, 2013, 03:27:23 PM

Neil is a complicated man.

But no one understands him but his woman.
hopefully his wife doesn't find out.

Seriously even I got that reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pFlsufZj9Fg#t=200s

and I'm usually completely blinkered
lol i knew it was shaft. Fresh Prince of Belair kept me in touch with the black youth of my generation :P
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Viking on April 11, 2013, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 11, 2013, 11:06:56 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 11, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
I did. He stands above all others, being a wonderful human being.

A Vichyste?  :yuk:

I :wub: 'ed a bit for DeGaulle when I heard his dismissal of Mitterand. "You again?"

:lol:  :yes: :frog:

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 11, 2013, 03:10:29 PM
He decommissioned the New Jersey (BB-62), I thought you would hate the guy.
But he kept it in reserve for when it would be needed again.  A wise policy.

Congress did that, not him.

Camerus

Lay out their policies on gays, and only then I can decide.

Agelastus

Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
My true hatred is for Attlee and his clique, who scrapped all those lovely old dreadnoughts after the war.

:huh:

Other than Warspite (which should have been preserved for the nation) the ships Attlee scrapped were too far gone even for a Reserve Fleet - I'd have thought you'd have saved your hatred for MacMillan's government that scrapped the surviving KGVs and finally the Vanguard (the effective British equivalent of the Iowas.)

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As for the poll I freely admit that sentimental reasons led me to vote for Thatcher. Reagan would have been the more objective vote due to his greater influence on the period.

Is there no love for Walesa at all on these forums, though?
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Agelastus on April 11, 2013, 06:50:44 PM
Is there no love for Walesa at all on these forums, though?

Sure, if there was a poll on favorite labor union leader he'd probably win hands down. Err, I guess not. Reagan was also a union boss.  :lol:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Sheilbh

Walesa, Havel and JP. Of these I think Walesa's the only one who's really flawed.

But I voted JP :wub:

Edit: And I'm amazed there's so few votes for Kohl :o
Let's bomb Russia!

Neil

Quote from: Agelastus on April 11, 2013, 06:50:44 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 11, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
My true hatred is for Attlee and his clique, who scrapped all those lovely old dreadnoughts after the war.
:huh:

Other than Warspite (which should have been preserved for the nation) the ships Attlee scrapped were too far gone even for a Reserve Fleet - I'd have thought you'd have saved your hatred for MacMillan's government that scrapped the surviving KGVs and finally the Vanguard (the effective British equivalent of the Iowas.)
They belonged in a museum.  At least Warspite, Renown and probably Rodney did.  I disapprove of the scrapping of the KGVs and especially Vanguard, but by that point it was tough times in Britain.
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Is there no love for Walesa at all on these forums, though?
He's Polish, and is thus tainted by association.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Ed Anger

I like the polack with the dark glasses. The one who should have shot Lech.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

derspiess

I like Lech.

Need to get a button made for that.
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Neil

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 11, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
I like the polack with the dark glasses. The one who should have shot Lech.
His future was so bright that he had to wear shades?
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.