Korea Thread: Liberal Moon Jae In Elected

[Admiral Yi]

Ancestry, not ascendancy.

[celedhring]

In my defence, I'll say it's late and using three different languages simultaneously in three different conversations ends up melting my brain sometimes.

[Capetan Mihali]

In my defence, I'll say it's late and using three different languages simultaneously in three different conversations ends up melting my brain sometimes.

You don't need to defend yourself, it was clear what you meant.

[Queequeg]

In my defence, I'll say it's late and using three different languages simultaneously in three different conversations ends up melting my brain sometimes.

I had back-to-back Russian and Turkish classes for an entire year, it felt like a migraine.

[jimmy olsen]

Korean vowels are bone simple.  Ah, eeh, eh, oh, ooh.  That's it. 

It's your native language, of course they sound simple.

They sound completely different from English vowels Yi and that's not even counting the double vowels. Prounciation and distinguishing sounds correctly is definitely the main obstacle to learning Korean.

[Queequeg]

Korean vowels are bone simple.  Ah, eeh, eh, oh, ooh.  That's it. 

It's your native language, of course they sound simple.

They sound completely different from English vowels Yi and that's not even counting the double vowels. Prounciation and distinguishing sounds correctly is definitely the main obstacle to learning Korean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_phonology#Vowels

Eight vowels with length being phonemic and dipthongs isn't a light load.  Russian has 5-6.

[Admiral Yi]

It's your native language, of course they sound simple.

They sound completely different from English vowels Yi and that's not even counting the double vowels. Prounciation and distinguishing sounds correctly is definitely the main obstacle to learning Korean.

They sounds exactly like American vowels.  |- sounds just like ah.  | sounds just like eeh.  I can't type out oh and ooh, but they sound identical as well.

[jimmy olsen]

It's your native language, of course they sound simple.

They sound completely different from English vowels Yi and that's not even counting the double vowels. Prounciation and distinguishing sounds correctly is definitely the main obstacle to learning Korean.

They sounds exactly like American vowels.  |- sounds just like ah.  | sounds just like eeh.  I can't type out oh and ooh, but they sound identical as well.

I completely disagree.  They don't sound anything like American vowels. Hell, they don't even sound like Japanese vowels.

[Admiral Yi]

Tell ya what Timmy: if you learn Korean pronouncing those vowels like American vowels, and anyone gives you grief about your pronounciation, tell them it's my fault.

[DGuller]

Korean vowels are bone simple.  Ah, eeh, eh, oh, ooh.  That's it. 

Sounds like a difficult bowel movement.

[jimmy olsen]

Looks like there may be another nuclear test in the next two weeks

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/25/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear/

[The Brain]

In North Korea. Yes yes of course. That's where it will take place.

[derspiess]

Wow.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/north-korean-screed-against-obama-illustrates-race-based-worldview/2014/05/08/9bc7a68f-7b71-4110-b4f1-85ae05c92777_print.html

North Korean screed against Obama illustrates 'race-based' worldview

By Chico Harlan, Thursday, May 8, 8:25 AM

SEOUL — In a recently published and lengthy racist screed, North Korea calls President Obama a "clown," a "dirty fellow" and somebody who "does not even have the basic appearances of a human being."

Propriety has never been a part of North Korean rhetoric, but rarely has Pyongyang so ferociously — and personally — attacked a U.S. leader, in this case pulling language right out of the American 1850s. The attack seems unabashed, except for one thing: Unlike most articles published by the North's state-run news agency, this one wasn't translated into English.

"He is a crossbreed with unclear blood," the North says.

And later: Obama "still has the figure of monkey while the human race has evolved through millions of years."

"It would be perfect for Obama to live with a group of monkeys in the world's largest African natural zoo and lick the bread crumbs thrown by spectators."

The diatribe, published May 2 by the Korean Central News Agency, almost escaped foreign attention. But Josh Stanton, who blogs regularly about the North's viciousness and rights violations, uncovered the Korean-only piece, as well as a separate, milder article that was translated into English and in which Obama was called a "wicked black monkey."

The Korean-only piece (headlined, "Divine retribution for the juvenile delinquent Obama!") featured four lengthy passages, each attributed to a regular citizen. In the North, quotations of citizens are state-sanctioned and often spoon-fed by the government's propaganda department, analysts say.

In some instances, North Korea's verbal attacks can be milked for amusement, their outrage directed at "imperialist lackeys" and "thrice-cursed stooges." But when North Korea talks about race, it's almost always important — and telling about the state ideology.

Some academics — most notably B.R. Myers — argue that North Koreans fundamentally have a "race-based" worldview, showing more similarity to fascist Japan during World War II than Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union. Myers condenses North Korean's state orthodoxy into a sentence: "The Korean people are too pure blooded, and therefore too virtuous, to survive in this evil world without a great parental leader."

That notion, of course, has been contorted to allow the most non-parental kind of leadership, but North Korea still goes to alarming lengths to maintain its racial purity. North Korean women often cross into China looking for work or an escape; if those women are impregnated and forcibly repatriated to the North, they are subject to either forced abortions or infanticide.

The United Nations said in a recent human rights report that this practice points "to an underlying belief in a 'pure Korean race' in the DPRK to which mixed race children (of ethnic Koreans) are considered a contamination of its 'pureness.' " The report referred to North Korea by its official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

North Korea has proven its willingness to advertise all forms of contempt, racial or otherwise. Last month, its state news agency lashed out against the openly gay leading author of the U.N. human rights report, calling him a " disgusting old lecher." And last week, the North called South Korean President Park Geun-hye an "old prostitute."

Obama walked into North Korea's crosshairs after his recent visit to Asia, which included stops in Tokyo and Seoul. Washington and Pyongyang have gone more than two years without dialogue, and the North faces little risk of direct backlash for its comments.

But there are some clear contradictions in North Korea's stereotyping. The North maintains active ties with several African countries and just signed a new cooperation agreement with Nigeria. Meanwhile, North Korea earlier this year welcomed a team of former NBA basketball players — most of them African American — for an exhibition game attended by leader Kim Jong Un.


Youmi Kim contributed to this report.


© The Washington Post Company

[DGuller]

I think we need to know the context of these quotes before we judge the North Koreans.

[Admiral Yi]

There was another screed a bit back about the South Korean whore president and her "fancy man."

Whoever they kidnapped to translate their public statements is not pulling their weight.