Korea Thread: Liberal Moon Jae In Elected

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Valmy

#1740
April 27, 2018, 01:24:59 PM
The Chinese should be the big power in that part of the world. I have no problem with that happening.

The non-Chinese people might though. Oh well what can you do?
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Barrister

#1741
April 27, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2018, 01:24:59 PM
The Chinese should be the big power in that part of the world. I have no problem with that happening.

The non-Chinese people might though. Oh well what can you do?

South Korea has been a reliable US ally for 60+ years.  One would hope that Trump won't sell them out at his first opportunity.
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Jacob

#1742
April 27, 2018, 01:36:46 PM Last Edit: April 27, 2018, 01:38:30 PM by Jacob
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
South Korea has been a reliable US ally for 60+ years.  One would hope that Trump won't sell them out at his first opportunity.

Well it does seem the South Koreans are on board...

... it's interesting times, that's for sure. I don't have high expectations of Trump's management of US interests, but that may work out fine.

Barrister

#1743
April 27, 2018, 01:42:02 PM
I dunno - I read through the agreement, and it's really a whole lot of "agreements to agree", which aren't actually all that helpful.

I suspect the North's plan is to eliminate existing nuclear stores, but to maintain their capability to produce nukes in the future.  The devil is in the details on these kinds of agreements, and so far there are no details.
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Valmy

#1744
April 27, 2018, 01:44:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2018, 01:24:59 PM
The Chinese should be the big power in that part of the world. I have no problem with that happening.

The non-Chinese people might though. Oh well what can you do?

South Korea has been a reliable US ally for 60+ years.  One would hope that Trump won't sell them out at his first opportunity.

This is the problem with being a super power, you build up commitments and loyalties. Backing the people who sided with us in Afghanistan is the main reason we are still there as well.

But, ultimately, China is eventually going to re-assert itself as the bully in their own backyard. Not much we can do about that.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Barrister

#1745
April 27, 2018, 01:50:53 PM
The US has the pre-eminent military force in the world.  I would think there's a fair bit they can do about it.
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Tamas

#1746
April 27, 2018, 02:00:35 PM
Well I guess we'll see what NK is getting out of all this, indeed.

I just happen to be reading about the Munich Agreement. Hopefully this will end up better.

Valmy

#1747
April 27, 2018, 02:01:46 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 27, 2018, 02:00:35 PM
Well I guess we'll see what NK is getting out of all this, indeed.

I just happen to be reading about the Munich Agreement. Hopefully this will end up better.

Fortunately Kim does not control a great power with one of the world's most advanced economies.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

FunkMonk

#1748
April 27, 2018, 02:33:40 PM
Donald Trump helping to finally end the 60-year old Korean War.

One could make a semi-decent argument that Donald J Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize more than Barack Obama does.




My god, the times we live in.
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garbon

#1749
April 27, 2018, 02:57:32 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 27, 2018, 02:33:40 PM
Donald Trump helping to finally end the 60-year old Korean War.

One could make a semi-decent argument that Donald J Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize more than Barack Obama does.




My god, the times we live in.

Okay, I know Legbiter might not post enough for you...
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#1750
April 27, 2018, 03:08:55 PM
There's an old Vulcan proverb: Only Trump could go to Pyongyang.
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Barrister

#1751
April 27, 2018, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 27, 2018, 02:33:40 PM
Donald Trump helping to finally end the 60-year old Korean War.

One could make a semi-decent argument that Donald J Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize more than Barack Obama does.




My god, the times we live in.

:lol:

If he actually pulls this off, you're right!
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Sophie Scholl

#1752
April 27, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
I'm waiting to see why this happened.  I have a hard time believing that Trump being a blowhard and threatening nuclear war when he gets bored and coked up in the wee hours of the morning is what brought this about.  If anything, I think Xi getting confirmation of his power, the US failing on the diplomatic scene and China taking up the slack the US has (intentionally) dropped, and the US already backing out of recently agreed economic treaties with South Korea are all bigger motivations.  Why any country wants to look to the US for leadership when it comes to diplomacy these days is beyond me.  There is zero reason to think that any treaty that has been agreed to or obligations set up will be held to with this administration or any to come since it only takes a slight shift in power to bring everything down.
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FunkMonk

#1753
April 27, 2018, 06:05:02 PM
I'm inclined to agree with you BA.

The funny thing is, if peace between the Koreas actually becomes reality, The Donald will be given at least partial credit for defusing the decades-long tension in the region, whether he deserves it or not.
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Legbiter

#1754
April 27, 2018, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 27, 2018, 02:33:40 PM
Donald Trump helping to finally end the 60-year old Korean War.

One could make a semi-decent argument that Donald J Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize more than Barack Obama does.




My god, the times we live in.

:hmm:

We'll see.

When denuclearising Little Rocket Man has to fear his own generals more than the American ones. Also Trump will probably handle this like a Manhattan real estate deal, so expect at least one very public walkout on his part, at minimum.

Also, I think Dennis Rodman should receive consideration for any Noble peace prizes.
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