An "anti gay" story I am conflicted about

[Viking]

Bankrolling what? Putting food on the table for his kids? Are the profits of the DC project going directly into some hate organization or something? As long as he's not putting that shit in Superman I don't see why the guy shouldn't be allowed to earn a living.

I actually agree there. Before I found out he was a religious nutcase I had already found that there was a strict dividing line in his fiction. Some (e.g. Ender's Game) Was sublimely brilliant and the rest was very mediocre. If he gets it right he might contribute a brilliant story. It's a bit fakey outragey to demand that DC not employ him. DC already has some gay street cred with Earth 2's GL and Teen Titans Bunker being gay and nobody making an issue out of it (unlike the Pink Kryptonite schtick they had some time ago). OSC hasn't used his authorship to deal with the issue or any of the issues related to his idiotic religion. I see no reason that he will do so now.

This is soft target activism. You don't see the same groups demanding that the movie Ender's Game (at least not to my knowledge) and if they had the courage of their convictions they would be acting against that instead since the movie will make OSC orders of magnitude more money than a single store for a non-canon one off book.


Edit: And of course Batwoman, but that book only exists because when asked DC ixnayed the suggestion that they make Batgirl a lesbian, but like the idea of a lesbian bat.

[Ideologue]

Bankrolling what? Putting food on the table for his kids? Are the profits of the DC project going directly into some hate organization or something? As long as he's not putting that shit in Superman I don't see why the guy shouldn't be allowed to earn a living.

Do we now live in a universe where anyone is entitled to earn a living, let alone doing what they want?  Great news, if true.

[Ideologue]

Anyway, besides the fact that no bigot should be working on fucking Superman--he could work on other properties, less offensively, but Superman stands for tolerance, amongst other things--a big concern with Card working on Superman is that novels =/= comics and talent from other media have been notoriously bad at making comics, e.g. Brad Meltzer, JMS, Kevin Smith.  Lack of professionalism is an overriding theme with them, especially JMS and Smith.  Also, more specifically, the Iron Man comics Card himself did write were both bad and ridiculous, although I will grant they did, afaik, come out on time, and he didn't give up halfway through as Straczynski is wont to do (he's abandoned ongoing projects without resolving them at least four times).

(As a counteragument, Joss Whedon is actually pretty okay in comics, but I'd argue that his work has been nothing particularly special in the medium, though obviously he's made great hay with the some comics properties.)

[garbon]

Bankrolling what? Putting food on the table for his kids? Are the profits of the DC project going directly into some hate organization or something? As long as he's not putting that shit in Superman I don't see why the guy shouldn't be allowed to earn a living.

Well seeing as how he is the member of a hate organization, I'd assume he donates some of his money that way.

I don't see anything wrong with people calling for a bigot to be drummed out of town, so to speak. DC doesn't need to agree but I don't see anything wrong with people who don't want to see bigots hired.

[jimmy olsen]

Soft genocide sounds like a great idea.  You eliminate the offending culture without physical destruction of their wealth, nor their phenotype.  So when can we start with the Chinese?

Mao offered the US 10 million Chinese women, Kissinger declined.

[garbon]

This is soft target activism. You don't see the same groups demanding that the movie Ender's Game (at least not to my knowledge) and if they had the courage of their convictions they would be acting against that instead since the movie will make OSC orders of magnitude more money than a single store for a non-canon one off book.

Still pretty far out - that's not coming till the fall right?

Anyway, quick search showed a lot of chatter about whether or not the film should be boycotted by gays.

[Razgovory]

Soft genocide sounds like a great idea.  You eliminate the offending culture without physical destruction of their wealth, nor their phenotype.  So when can we start with the Chinese?

Moa offered the US 10 million Chinese women, Kissinger declined.

Kissinger knew that the stone faced bastard wasn't good for it.

[garbon]

Actually now looking at this more, the dude has said some pretty awful things about gay people.

[Viking]

This is soft target activism. You don't see the same groups demanding that the movie Ender's Game (at least not to my knowledge) and if they had the courage of their convictions they would be acting against that instead since the movie will make OSC orders of magnitude more money than a single store for a non-canon one off book.

Still pretty far out - that's not coming till the fall right?

Anyway, quick search showed a lot of chatter about whether or not the film should be boycotted by gays.

Is there any chatter about whether or not the studio should make the film? I don't have a user at "The back door room" so I'm not au-courant on this issue.

[garbon]

This is soft target activism. You don't see the same groups demanding that the movie Ender's Game (at least not to my knowledge) and if they had the courage of their convictions they would be acting against that instead since the movie will make OSC orders of magnitude more money than a single store for a non-canon one off book.

Still pretty far out - that's not coming till the fall right?

Anyway, quick search showed a lot of chatter about whether or not the film should be boycotted by gays.

Is there any chatter about whether or not the studio should make the film? I don't have a user at "The back door room" so I'm not au-courant on this issue.

I've no idea. You can do your own google search.

My point was just that it wasn't hypocritical to not be boycotting a movie months before most people even know about it - let alone have the actual opportunity to see it.

[Viking]

I've no idea. You can do your own google search.

You claimed knowledge of the contents of the gay grapevine. I don't, so I ask you, the expert (at least relative to me).

My point was just that it wasn't hypocritical to not be boycotting a movie months before most people even know about it - let alone have the actual opportunity to see it.

The demand of DC is not that people boycott the book, but rather that DC should not employ him as a writer. The equivalent for the movie is not that the movie be boycotted but rather that the studio not make the movie.

[garbon]

You claimed knowledge of the contents of the gay grapevine. I don't, so I ask you, the expert (at least relative to me).

Actually I said that I did a quick search. That's not expert knowledge - and hence you are free to do your own search if you'd like to know more.

The demand of DC is not that people boycott the book, but rather that DC should not employ him as a writer. The equivalent for the movie is not that the movie be boycotted but rather that the studio not make the movie.

As to your other point, meh, maybe so. Though your initial post wasn't clear as you just said acting against it. I'd say if these superman thing is any indication (and the mentions of ender's game in most of the articles about this brouhaha), you'll get people acting against it at some point.

[Ideologue]

Soft genocide sounds like a great idea.  You eliminate the offending culture without physical destruction of their wealth, nor their phenotype.  So when can we start with the Chinese?

Moa offered the US 10 million Chinese women, Kissinger declined.

That's a shame.

[CountDeMoney]

the suggestion that they make Batgirl a lesbian,

Well, hello.

[Ed Anger]

the suggestion that they make Batgirl a lesbian,

Well, hello.

Harley Quinn taking a strap on to batgirl? I'd buy that.