Papabile: Papal predictions thread

[fhdz]

For me personally it is a practice of gratitude, I thank God for everything that is good in my life.  The fact I do not really care whether or not God exists has never even occured to me as an issue actually.

That actually makes a great deal of sense.

[Sheilbh]

Praying is dialogue directed at God.  You can't pray unless you believe God exists.

Only if you're on your own. The mass is a prayer, confession involves prayer. Failing to believe or having doubts or not believing are venial sins, so don't distance you from God like lack of faith does for Protties or mortal sins for Catholics.

And again, what better example of faith - trust - than participating in prayer even if you're not sure that it goes anywhere?

[Admiral Yi]

Only if you're on your own. The mass is a prayer, confession involves prayer. Failing to believe or having doubts or not believing are venial sins, so don't distance you from God like lack of faith does for Protties or mortal sins for Catholics.

And again, what better example of faith - trust - than participating in prayer even if you're not sure that it goes anywhere?

Go ask your priest who he's talking to when he says a prayer during mass.

[crazy canuck]

Praying is dialogue directed at God.  You can't pray unless you believe God exists.

Only if you're on your own. The mass is a prayer...

One of the most beautiful and moving things I have witnessed was a Mass in the Cathedral in Assisi - a close second was one I saw in Notre Dame in Paris.  There is just something about all those voices singing and praying in unison and the tempo of the Mass that is very moving.  Nothing that occurs in Prostestant churches comes close.  Although they also sing it is not the same at all.

[Martinus]

Only if you're on your own. The mass is a prayer, confession involves prayer. Failing to believe or having doubts or not believing are venial sins, so don't distance you from God like lack of faith does for Protties or mortal sins for Catholics.

And again, what better example of faith - trust - than participating in prayer even if you're not sure that it goes anywhere?

Go ask your priest who he's talking to when he says a prayer during mass.

He is praying to God, but transsubstantiation occurs even if the priest does not believe in God or eucharist. In fact, the holiness of sacraments irrespective of the celebrant is one of the key tenets of Catholic doctrine.

[PRC]

Praying is dialogue directed at God.  You can't pray unless you believe God exists.

Prayer is wishful optimism and hoping for something good to happen.  Crossing your fingers and saying "please work, please work" when you try to play SimCity5 is prayer.

[garbon]

Praying is dialogue directed at God.  You can't pray unless you believe God exists.

Only if you're on your own. The mass is a prayer, confession involves prayer. Failing to believe or having doubts or not believing are venial sins, so don't distance you from God like lack of faith does for Protties or mortal sins for Catholics.

And again, what better example of faith - trust - than participating in prayer even if you're not sure that it goes anywhere?

Again I think it is a bit odd to say that one is a Christian if one doesn't believe in God or something along the lines of Jesus dying for our sins.

[crazy canuck]

Praying is dialogue directed at God.  You can't pray unless you believe God exists.

Prayer is wishful optimism and hoping for something good to happen.  Crossing your fingers and saying "please work, please work" when you try to play SimCity5 is prayer.

That is a very utilitarian view of prayer.

[Admiral Yi]

On the subject of prayer, a couple times i attended service at Bill and Hillary's church.  Minister asked if there were any prayer requests (very common in Prot churches for you mackeral snappers).  Bad.  Idea.  It was like an express lobbying session.  "God please grant our leaders the wisdom to end the war in Serbia."  "God please protect our reproductive rights."  Etc., etc.

[crazy canuck]

On the subject of prayer, a couple times i attended service at Bill and Hillary's church.  Minister asked if there were any prayer requests (very common in Prot churches for you mackeral snappers).  Bad.  Idea.  It was like an express lobbying session.  "God please grant our leaders the wisdom to end the war in Serbia."  "God please protect our reproductive rights."  Etc., etc.

That is a good example of why Mass is a spiritual event whereas Protestant type churches are more.... worldly.

[garbon]

On the subject of prayer, a couple times i attended service at Bill and Hillary's church.  Minister asked if there were any prayer requests (very common in Prot churches for you mackeral snappers).  Bad.  Idea.  It was like an express lobbying session.  "God please grant our leaders the wisdom to end the war in Serbia."  "God please protect our reproductive rights."  Etc., etc.

That is a good example of why Mass is a spiritual event whereas Protestant type churches are more.... worldly.

Pfft, the Catholic church I went to in the East Village didn't feel very spiritual. They gave us printed out version of the bible passages but then when priest "read" those same passages, he broke it down into simple English.

[crazy canuck]

On the subject of prayer, a couple times i attended service at Bill and Hillary's church.  Minister asked if there were any prayer requests (very common in Prot churches for you mackeral snappers).  Bad.  Idea.  It was like an express lobbying session.  "God please grant our leaders the wisdom to end the war in Serbia."  "God please protect our reproductive rights."  Etc., etc.

That is a good example of why Mass is a spiritual event whereas Protestant type churches are more.... worldly.

Pfft, the Catholic church I went to in the East Village didn't feel very spiritual. They gave us printed out version of the bible passages but then when priest "read" those same passages, he broke it down into simple English.

My view is influenced by viewing a real Mass.  What is it with you.  You have never had real maple syrup and now it appears you have never attended a real Mass.

[garbon]

On the subject of prayer, a couple times i attended service at Bill and Hillary's church.  Minister asked if there were any prayer requests (very common in Prot churches for you mackeral snappers).  Bad.  Idea.  It was like an express lobbying session.  "God please grant our leaders the wisdom to end the war in Serbia."  "God please protect our reproductive rights."  Etc., etc.

That is a good example of why Mass is a spiritual event whereas Protestant type churches are more.... worldly.

Pfft, the Catholic church I went to in the East Village didn't feel very spiritual. They gave us printed out version of the bible passages but then when priest "read" those same passages, he broke it down into simple English.

My view is influenced by viewing a real Mass.  What is it with you.  You have never had real maple syrup and now it appears you have never attended a real Mass.

I went to a Catholic church. How was I suppose to know they wouldn't do a real mass?

Also, I'd add that I did go to a High Lutheran church and it was definitely more spiritual and less worldly. In fact, it was very similar to what I'd been hoping for when I went to that Catholic church.

[garbon]

Oh and I have had real maple syrup and I don't like it.

[derspiess]

On the subject of prayer, a couple times i attended service at Bill and Hillary's church.  Minister asked if there were any prayer requests (very common in Prot churches for you mackeral snappers).  Bad.  Idea.  It was like an express lobbying session.  "God please grant our leaders the wisdom to end the war in Serbia."  "God please protect our reproductive rights."  Etc., etc.

  Gotta love DC.  Was this a Methodist service?