Papabile: Papal predictions thread

[Razgovory]

Sounds like the New & Improved Pope has had scuffles with Argentina's stupid bitch president in the past.  Based upon this, I'm elevating him to AWESOME DUDE status.

Go fuck yourself.

No marty, you go fuck your self.

[fhdz]

He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.

Hoo boy. Those guys are culty.

[The Larch]

He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.

Hoo boy. Those guys are culty.

Nah, they're in for the money, mostly.

[fhdz]

He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.

Hoo boy. Those guys are culty.

Nah, they're in for the money, mostly.

Really? I had heard a while back that they were VERY aggressively political, such that a lot of more mainstream Catholics were a little embarrassed by them.

[The Larch]

He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.

Hoo boy. Those guys are culty.

Nah, they're in for the money, mostly.

Really? I had heard a while back that they were VERY aggressively political, such that a lot of more mainstream Catholics were a little embarrassed by them.

Yes, they're political, but in order to get big fat public contracts, not in order to push doctrine. They're the main private provider of health services in Northern Italy, for instance. Pedrito might enlighten us on that.

[CountDeMoney]

Jesuit, too.

Complete and total awesomeness.   

[CountDeMoney]

More on Argentinian journalist Horacio Verbitsky's contention that Bergoglio stood by as tens of thousand of leftists were captured and killed:

The most well-known episode relates to the abduction of two Jesuits whom the military government secretly jailed for their work in poor neighborhoods.

According to "The Silence," a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.

Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.

"History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military," Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said.

Yeah, sounds like a really nice guy.

So, in other words, not much different than the rest of the Church abandoning the Society in Central and South America, like the soon-to-be-canonized Pole-Pope.

At least those Jesuits were only imprisoned.  Johnny Paul the Deuce looked the other way when they got killed.

[CountDeMoney]

Pope Francis.. doesn't really have a good ring to it.

St. Francis was rad, though, so: good choice.

So, Francis of Assisi, Francis de Sales, or Francis Xavier?

Francis Tarkenton?

[Razgovory]

More on Argentinian journalist Horacio Verbitsky's contention that Bergoglio stood by as tens of thousand of leftists were captured and killed:

The most well-known episode relates to the abduction of two Jesuits whom the military government secretly jailed for their work in poor neighborhoods.

According to "The Silence," a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.

Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.

"History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military," Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said.

Yeah, sounds like a really nice guy.

So, in other words, not much different than the rest of the Church abandoning the Society in Central and South America, like the soon-to-be-canonized Pole-Pope.

At least those Jesuits were only imprisoned.  Johnny Paul the Deuce looked the other way when they got killed.

Well the source, Horacio Verbitsky, is also a terrorist and likely a murderer so maybe he's just projecting.

[Razgovory]

He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.

Hoo boy. Those guys are culty.

Are they those Italian Neo-Fascist ones?

[fhdz]

He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.

Hoo boy. Those guys are culty.

Are they those Italian Neo-Fascist ones?

They're (originally) Italian, and they loooooooove them some Berlusconi, and they are pretty right-wing AFAIK, but I am not sure that they are neo-fascist.

[Razgovory]

I thought they had some strong corporatist bent, but I might be thinking of someone else.

[fhdz]

I thought they had some strong corporatist bent, but I might be thinking of someone else.

Opus Dei?

[Caliga]

  I actually didn't think Jesuits were allowed to accept church office at all.

[Camerus]

So I wonder where he stands on curial reform?