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Are you a statist?

Started by derspiess, January 10, 2013, 11:49:11 AM

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In economic terms, do you consider yourself a statist?

Yes
16 (47.1%)
No
18 (52.9%)

Total Members Voted: 34

Ideologue

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
It's a perjorative term so I doubt anyone is going to answer in the affirmative.  Maybe Ide.

Did, but I've affirmed that before.
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derspiess

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
It's a perjorative term so I doubt anyone is going to answer in the affirmative.  Maybe Ide.

13 out of 27 respondents so far.  HA!

Btw many useful terms are considered pejorative by some.  The term "socialist" is considered fairly pejorative in the US, but that doesn't mean it should never be used.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Gups

How about this for a working definition: A statist is someone who believes that it is acceptable or desirable for government spendin ggto exceed 50% of GDP


Razgovory

Quote from: Gups on January 11, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
How about this for a working definition: A statist is someone who believes that it is acceptable or desirable for government spendin ggto exceed 50% of GDP

I like this one better:  A Statist is a person who believes that people should be governed by states as opposed those who believe that you should be governed by individuals.  In other words, people who want to a government rather then be the personal slave of someone else.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Gups on January 11, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
How about this for a working definition: A statist is someone who believes that it is acceptable or desirable for government spendin ggto exceed 50% of GDP

A little on the abstract side, no?  And I believe the US, the great bastion of Anglo Saxon laissez faire, is around 50% if you include all the layers of government.

I counterpropose public ownership of intercity and international transportation: airlines, railways.

derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on January 11, 2013, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Gups on January 11, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
How about this for a working definition: A statist is someone who believes that it is acceptable or desirable for government spendin ggto exceed 50% of GDP

I like this one better:  A Statist is a person who believes that people should be governed by states as opposed those who believe that you should be governed by individuals.  In other words, people who want to a government rather then be the personal slave of someone else.

You are worse than Stalin.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

CountDeMoney

Regardless, I'm still a sadist.

derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: derspiess on January 10, 2013, 06:55:38 PM
Sorry for thinking you guys were familiar with the term.

Never mind then, the sheesh...

I am familiar with the term as a somewhat archaic French political characterization.
You might as well ask how many people identify themselves as physiocrats.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

derspiess

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 11, 2013, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 10, 2013, 06:55:38 PM
Sorry for thinking you guys were familiar with the term.

Never mind then, the sheesh...

I am familiar with the term as a somewhat archaic French political characterization.
You might as well ask how many people identify themselves as physiocrats.

Cool.  Maybe next week.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Brain

No, since I don't know what it is.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 11, 2013, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Gups on January 11, 2013, 12:51:37 PM
How about this for a working definition: A statist is someone who believes that it is acceptable or desirable for government spendin ggto exceed 50% of GDP

I like this one better:  A Statist is a person who believes that people should be governed by states as opposed those who believe that you should be governed by individuals.  In other words, people who want to a government rather then be the personal slave of someone else.

You are worse than Stalin.

You seem to forget that the tyranny in the US has come overwhelmingly from individuals and not government.  Millions of people were born, lived and died in chattel slavery.  Not slaves of the state, but slaves of  private individuals.  These people were only freed by actions of the Federal government.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on January 11, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
You seem to forget that the tyranny in the US has come overwhelmingly from individuals and not government.  Millions of people were born, lived and died in chattel slavery.  Not slaves of the state, but slaves of  private individuals.  These people were only freed by actions of the Federal government.

And the state was not complicit in slavery.  Nope, not one bit :lol:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Minsky Moment

OK I'll bite then.

Generally speaking, I think Louis XIV was on the wrong track and although Colbert was a brilliant administrator, his trade policy was misguided.
So I am going to vote no.
The physiocrats OTOH were basically on the right track even if there were problems with the details so I will vote yes on them.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 01:50:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 11, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
You seem to forget that the tyranny in the US has come overwhelmingly from individuals and not government.  Millions of people were born, lived and died in chattel slavery.  Not slaves of the state, but slaves of  private individuals.  These people were only freed by actions of the Federal government.

And the state was not complicit in slavery.  Nope, not one bit :lol:

How many slaves were owned by the state compared to how many were owned by individuals?  To the slave owners the state did not give the right to own a slave, it was an innate right.  Just as the state does not confer the right own other types of property.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017