Will a Horrific Bus Gang-Rape in Delhi Finally Change India's Culture of Rape?

[Maximus]

Multiculturalism dictate we have to accept this as culturally relevant.  And besides who are we to judge - just look at the terrible history of the West and its list of unending crimes!

No, that's not what multiculturalism dictates.

[grumbler]

Multiculturalism dictate we have to accept this as culturally relevant.  And besides who are we to judge - just look at the terrible history of the West and its list of unending crimes!

No, that's not what multiculturalism dictates.

Save your breath.  Let the bigot spew, and ignore him.

[Grallon]

No, that's not what multiculturalism dictates.

Do your homework before replying Max...

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/multiculturalism/

Specifically this passage:

In many ways a contested concept, multiculturalism is used in at least three senses: to refer to a society that is characterized by ethnic or cultural heterogeneity; to refer to an ideal of equality and mutual respect among a population's ethnic or cultural groups; and to refer to policies implemented by the federal government in 1971 and subsequently by a number of provinces.

Respect for 3rd world villagers organizing the public rape of a 10yo in retaliation for some perceived offense?  I think not.  But that imbecile grumbler seem to think it's alright - so I'll leave you two to debate about it.



G.

[Norgy]

That definition says nothing about respecting 3rd world villagers and rape, but an equal footing in a population. 

[grumbler]

That definition says nothing about respecting 3rd world villagers and rape, but an equal footing in a population. 

He can't hear you.

[CountDeMoney]

Grallon only supports private rapes of 10 year olds, not public ones.

[Norgy]

I've grown to love rape. I prefer it over soy and sunflowerseed.

[garbon]

http://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2014/09/molested-delhi-metro-heres-refused-suffer-silence/

I Was Molested In The Delhi Metro, And Here's Why I Refused To Suffer In Silence

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As I positioned myself close to the exit door I felt a sense of unease run through my body, like someone has pierced their gaze on me or someone is watching me. Suddenly I felt something touch me from behind. With half my mind on trying to get off at the next station, I turned thinking it was someone's bag or hand touching me repeatedly. But in stead I saw a man in a white kurta (long shirt) staring right at me and he had no bags or luggage. In fact, both his hands were clenching the railing next to him. But if both his hands were up there, what was it that... I got my answer as soon as I lowered my sight. There, beneath that long shirt I could clearly see that this man was unzipped. I felt the blood rush to my head, boiling and fuming and the fury ran through every nerve in my body.

Within that fraction of a second, every single eve teasing incident and every darn face of those guys who had the guts to molest someone I knew, flashed in my mind. Before I knew it, my voice escaped my lungs and there I was, screaming at the man who dared to mess with me.

'Kya problem hai?' (What is your problem?)
'Kya samjh rakha hai saale?' (What the hell do you think?)
'Himmat kaise huyi teri?' (How dare you?)

These were some of the things I uttered looking right into his eyes. He was startled and started blabbering that he is sorry and insisted that it was his hand that touched me by mistake. Your 'hand' that comes out from your pants? How the hell was your zip open? I was screaming in a coach full of men and women. Did anyone come forward to help or even displayed basic courtesy to ask me what was wrong? The answer was a big unsurprising no. In fact, I turned and spotted two men smirking at me. Their silence tried my patience and all hell broke loose.

I held that (namesake) man's collar and dragged him out of the train. He was on a loop mode 'It was my hand, it was a crowded train'. The moment we set foot at the platform he managed to escape. I ran, with all the strength and courage in me, I ran after him making as much noise as I could. A few saw (the tamasha), the others gasped while one man in uniform began to chase him. I went towards the other side and we managed to get hold of him. I yelled again "How dare you? How did you dare to touch me? People like you make Delhi a nightmare for girls? You make us question every time before we step a foot outside. How dare you?"

...

As we took him to the control room he told the police that I am mistaken, it was his hand that touched me by mistake and it could happen to anyone because it was a crowded train. "Ask her... it was my hand", he said. 15 guards, all men turned towards me as he tried to shame me. But if he had the guts to do it I had the spine to say it. You see anger brings out the strength you never thought you had in you but in my case, anger brought out a language I never thought I could use. I was outright and I had all the right to be – "Lift up that kurta and you will know exactly what touched me". There. I said it out loud and clear. The guards felt outraged and charged at him. Within seconds he begged for an apology and suddenly the hand in question transformed into a part of his body he wished he never had. "Why would this girl lie? After all she is taking the blame on herself", said the police officer to the criminal in front of me. He committed the crime, I raised my voice and yet somehow the shame was on me. That statement reflected the thought process of our society, in fact it said much more. I argued with the officer and told the man in question that I have lost nothing in this entire episode and in fact I will make him pay for this. He immediately begged for an apology and I instead, insisted to file an FIR. After a few calls, 5 friends of mine reached the station to back me up and how? They were equally angered and showed no mercy.
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[Syt]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11443462/Delhi-bus-rapist-blames-his-victim-in-prison-interview.html

Delhi bus rapist blames his victim in prison interview

In an interview from jail, Mukesh Singh says women who go out at night have only themselves to blame if they attract the attention of gangs of male molesters

One of the group of Indian men convicted of the notorious Delhi gang rape of 2012 has prompted outrage by claiming that his victim was to blame for her brutal sexual assault and murder.
In an interview from jail, Mukesh Singh said that women who went out at night had only themselves to blame if they attracted the attention of gangs of male molesters. "A girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy," he said.

His victim, Jyoti Singh, 23, was returning from an evening at the cinema with a male friend when the six-strong gang offered them a lift in a mini-bus they were driving. She was raped and frenziedly beaten with iron bars, prompting widespread demonstrations for Indian women to have greater protection from sexual violence.

In an interview for a BBC documentary, Singh also claimed that had Jyoti and her friend not tried to fight back, the gang would not have not have inflicted the savage beating, which led her to die from her injuries two weeks later.

Describing the killing as an "accident", he said: "When being raped, she shouldn't fight back. She should just be silent and allow the rape. Then they'd have dropped her off after 'doing her', and only hit the boy."

The interview, which BBC Four will air on its Storyville programme to coincide with International Womens' Day this Sunday, will be seen by women's rights groups as compelling evidence of the appalling attitudes shown by many Indian men towards women.

While the Indian courts made a harsh example of the gang, passing death sentences that are now otherwise rarely used, campaigners say that otherwise not enough has changed.
Singh, a slum-dweller who was 26 at the time of the attack, was driving the bus when the abduction occurred.

He denied involvement in the attack itself, but his claims were rejected by the court, which said there was strong DNA evidence against him, and that even if he had not taken part, he should have intervened.

But while the judge said that the case had "shocked the collective conscience" of India, Singh appears to show little remorse.

"You can't clap with one hand – it takes two hands," he says in the interview. "A decent girl won't roam around at 9 o'clock at night. A girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy. Boy and girl are not equal. Housework and housekeeping is for girls, not roaming in discos and bars at night doing wrong things, wearing wrong clothes. About 20 per cent of girls are good."

Singh, whose death sentence is currently on appeal, also claims that executing him and the other convicted rapists will endanger future rape victims.

"The death penalty will make things even more dangerous for girls," he says. "Before, they would rape and say, 'Leave her, she won't tell anyone.' Now when they rape, especially the criminal types, they will just kill the girl. Death."

The lawyers who defended the gang in court express similarly extreme views about women who venture out at night. In a previous televised interview, lawyer AP Singh said: "If my daughter or sister engaged in pre-marital activities and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this sort of sister or daughter to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family, I would put petrol on her and set her alight."

In the BBC documentary, he adds that his stance has not changed: "This is my stand. I still today stand on that reply."

Another defence lawyer who acted in the case, ML Sharma, says: "In our society, we never allow our girls to come out from the house after 6:30 or 7.30 or 8.30 in the evening with any unknown person."

Words fail me.

"Now when they rape, especially the criminal types" - as opposed to the non-criminal rapists? WTF India?

[garbon]

Seems like someone who can be killed off without worrying if he could be redeemed.

What's up with taking all of India to task over the babblings of a criminal though?

[jimmy olsen]

Seems like someone who can be killed off without worrying if he could be redeemed.

What's up with taking all of India to task over the babblings of a criminal though?

It's a bit troubling when a licensed lawyer agrees with his babbling.

[Malthus]

Seems like someone who can be killed off without worrying if he could be redeemed.

What's up with taking all of India to task over the babblings of a criminal though?

It's a bit troubling when a licensed lawyer agrees with his babbling.

Like in Breaking Bad, but rather less funny, this guy's lawyer sounds like a criminal lawyer.

[CountDeMoney]

Words fail me.

I don't see why;  that entire side of the planet is beyond fucked up.

People need to realize that our liberal western democratic Judeo-Christian  Age of Enlightenment values are a distinct minority of thought when it comes to the rest of the animal kingdom.

[Valmy]

I am not sure we can be too judgmental about horrifying sexual assault attitudes.  However not even the most barbarous Neanderthal over here would want to light a girl on fire for being raped so I guess we have that going for us.

[Syt]

I am not sure we can be too judgmental about horrifying sexual assault attitudes.  However not even the most barbarous Neanderthal over here would want to light a girl on fire for being raped so I guess we have that going for us.

An Alevit Turk (to the horror of his family and community) recently stabbed his 8-month pregnant ex in the stomach, then choked her, and finally doused her in gasoline and set her on fire. That was in a park in Berlin.

Since then there was a bit of "OMG how could that happen here?", but it got quickly buried under news about Ukraine, interior politics etc.