Will a Horrific Bus Gang-Rape in Delhi Finally Change India's Culture of Rape?

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Martinus

Quote from: The Brain on April 27, 2013, 01:29:38 AM
QuoteThe man, known as K S, has been charged with attempted rape, threatening to kill, assault and consuming alcohol illegally, the Daily Mail reports.

One of those carries a jail sentence.

Consuming alcohol?

DontSayBanana

Quote from: Martinus on April 27, 2013, 02:14:43 AM
Consuming alcohol?

Most likely.

And yeah, Jake, reporting rape victims' identities is a big no-no.  Won't know anything unless she comes forward to talk about it.
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merithyn

Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

garbon

Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 27, 2013, 08:44:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 27, 2013, 02:14:43 AM
Consuming alcohol?

Most likely.

And yeah, Jake, reporting rape victims' identities is a big no-no.  Won't know anything unless she comes forward to talk about it.

Apparently in Dubai it is also a no-no to report the identity of an alleged rapist.
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dps

Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 27, 2013, 08:44:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 27, 2013, 02:14:43 AM
Consuming alcohol?

Most likely.

And yeah, Jake, reporting rape victims' identities is a big no-no.  Won't know anything unless she comes forward to talk about it.

Quote from: MerithynNot Jacob's day, is it?

No, apparantly not, but it might not be DontSayBanana's either--it wasn't Jake that wanted the name of the would-be victim.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Jacob on April 26, 2013, 11:49:00 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 26, 2013, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 26, 2013, 05:51:17 PM
Nice work K S :cheers:

:huh: :unsure:

K S is the would-be rapist. I don't think that's what you mean.

:blush: reading fail

I, of course, meant the marine in question.

Xiacob:  drunk as a motherfucker tonight.


Phillip V

4-Year-Old Rape Victim Dies in India

"A four-year-old girl who was raped and dumped near a crematorium in central India died on Monday evening from cardiac arrest, hospital authorities said Tuesday.

The girl, the daughter of day laborers, was lured from her home in the town of Ghansor in Madhya Pradesh state on April 17, and found the next day by her parents, bleeding profusely, the police said."

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/4-year-old-rape-victim-dies-in-india/

merithyn

The men are fighting back.

Link

QuoteNEW DELHI — In India, women's rights have received a lot of attention recently.

Too much attention, according to one small but passionate organization, India's Men's Rights Association.

The group was started in Pune in 2010 to "specifically target the issues men are facing in everyday life, and how they are being discriminated against by society and the law," said the group's founder, Atit Rajpara, 34, in a telephone interview. "Whenever any lawmaking is happening, no one thinks about the men."

The group's stated goals include: breaking the "false myth" of the male-dominated society, rebelling "against social mindset assumption of men being born criminals" and creating a "Men's Welfare Ministry."

Mr. Rajpara said his group tried valiantly to have their point of view heard by the Verma Committee, which was set up after the Dec. 16 gang rape in Delhi to review how India protects women. The committee and other activists ignored 5,000 e-mails sent by Men's Rights Association members on the issue, he said.

"We are not against women," Mr. Rajpara said, but he contended that women are abusing laws that are already on the books to torment their husbands and other men.

Mr. Rajpara was married in 2004 but had an acrimonious divorce. At one point, his ex-wife sued him for child support, he said, even though they had no children. It took him a year and a half to clear his name and get the child support demand dropped, he said.

The new "antirape" law, which passed both houses of India's Parliament this week, ignores 50 percent of India's population, he said, and could be used to falsely target men.

Members and fans of the group were heatedly discussing the new law on the Men's Rights Association Facebook page on Friday.

"Here comes the first misuse," the group titled a Facebook post of an article from The Times of India about a man who could be the first in India to be booked for the crime of stalking, now a criminal offense. The paper reported that 20-year-old engineering student filed stalking charges against a man who kept sending her explicit text messages, even though she told him she was not interested in a relationship.

"Only becuz of those bastards protesting at India gate all men will suffer," one fan of the men's rights group commented on the article.

The site is heavy with pictures decrying the treatment of men ("Men, this is how the world sees you," reads one photo of a roll of toilet paper) and petitions like this one, which declares, "Rape is a shield for a woman to harass men sexually and get away with it."

Writing about the new antirape law, another Facebook commentator introduced a possible future strategy for the group's members: "Now it's better to avoid women, like u avoid cobras..."

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Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

garbon

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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

merithyn

The new laws

QuoteHere are some of the bill's crucial changes:

– Women's rights advocates and victims of sexual offenses have long accused a male-dominated police force of refusing to register complaints by women, and even facilitating a monetary settlement or brokering a marriage between victims of rape and the accused.

The bill lays down punishment for police officers who fail to record the initial complaint, known as the first information report, of a woman who alleges she was attacked with acid, assaulted by a man who intended to molest her or "outrage her modesty," stripped naked or raped. Such officers can receive jail terms of six months to two years.

– The bill creates a separate offense to address acid attacks, common in South Asian countries, especially by men who are spurned by women they express an interest in.

Under the bill, those convicted of throwing acid on a woman, causing "permanent or partial damage or deformity," or maiming or disfiguring her, will be punished with prison sentences ranging from 10 years to life and a fine.

With an eye to the rehabilitation of the victim, the bill says the fine should be paid to the woman as compensation.

– The bill defines sexual harassment, which includes "physical contact and advances involving unwelcome and explicit sexual overtures," a demand for sexual favors and showing pornography to a woman who does not want to see it. Those convicted of harassment can receive prison sentences of up to three years.

Making "sexually colored" remarks is also included in the definition of sexual harassment, for which the bill prescribes a prison sentence of up to a year.

– The bill criminalizes the forced stripping of women, or disrobing, in public spaces or in private confines, with a minimum jail term of three years and a maximum of seven. Under the current law, disrobing a woman is not a separate offense.

– One of the more controversial provisions in the bill is the section on voyeurism, which seeks to punish men who watch or photograph women who are conducting a "private act," such as bathing, using the toilet or having sex.

The bill lays down a punishment of three to seven years in prison for those convicted of voyeurism more than once.

Voyeurism is not a separate offense under the current law.

– The bill creates another new, and much-debated, offense: stalking. This provision deals with men who follow a woman and establish contact with her or attempt to do so "to foster personal interaction repeatedly despite a clear indication of disinterest" by the woman.

E-stalking, or monitoring of a woman's activities online, such as browsing or checking of e-mail, has also been made punishable.

A man convicted of stalking once can be sentenced to a term of up to three years, and if convicted again can receive a sentence of up to five years.

– The bill expands the definition of rape to include not just penovaginal intercourse but the insertion of an object or any other body part into a woman's vagina, urethra or anus, and oral sex.

This responds to a longstanding demand of women's rights groups. The issue of rape by different means was highlighted in the Delhi gang-rape case, where an iron rod was inserted into the young woman's body.

Prison sentences for rape can range from seven years to life. The current law allows courts to hand down a sentence of less than seven years for "adequate and special reasons," a provision omitted in the bill.

– The bill raises the age of consent for sex to 18. This means that intercourse with a woman under 18 is statutory rape and courts conducting rape trials cannot consider whether the woman consented to having sex. It also, in effect, criminalizes consensual sex with women under 18, a subject of much controversy.

– The bill does not make marital rape an offense, ignoring a longstanding demand of women's rights advocates.

– The bill takes a tough stand on rape by public servants. Under the current law, when a rape is committed by a police officer or prison staff, those convicted can be punished with sentences ranging from 10 years to life.

The bill clarifies that imprisonment for life means the convict must remain in prison till the end of his natural life.

The bill also allows women to bring a complaint of rape against members of the armed forces.

– When a rape leaves a woman dead or in a "persistent vegetative state," the bill demands a minimum sentence of 20 years in prison and a maximum punishment of death. This is the first time that the death penalty is being prescribed for sexual offenses in India, which, unlike nearly all European nations, retains the death sentence, but uses it only in the "rarest of rare cases."

– The bill increases the minimum punishment for gang rape from 10 years imprisonment to 20 years, and the maximum punishment to life imprisonment.

– The bill provides for life imprisonment or death for repeat offenders convicted of rape and gang rape.

– The bill makes procedural changes to address concerns that women are uncomfortable or intimidated by male police officers, or are treated with insensitivity when they approach police stations to register complaints of sex crimes.

The bill requires that all initial reports involving sexual harassment, disrobing, voyeurism, stalking, rape and gang rape be taken by women officers only.

– In order to ensure speedy trial, the bill requires that rape trials be completed "as far as possible" within two months from the time the police file charges against the accused.

Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

merithyn

Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 08:50:38 AM
A false myth of a male-dominated society? :huh:

Of course. Did you miss this part?

"We are not against women," Mr. Rajpara said, but he contended that women are abusing laws that are already on the books to torment their husbands and other men.
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

garbon

Yeah it seems that even if that was happening, it'd hardly even out or overshadow what happens on the flipside.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.