Elementary school shooting gun control pissing contest

[Razgovory]

Oh, Raz and his selective reading of isolated polls. Don't ever change

You are mistaking me for Phil.

[Berkut]

Oh, Raz and his selective reading of isolated polls. Don't ever change

Hehe, what's he going on about these days?

[Razgovory]

You could try just reading my posts.

[The Minsky Moment]

Wow.  Mentally ill?  Really?  Do you apply that label to those who passionately defend other freedoms?

Anyway, the fact of the matter is that many Dems would very much like to outlaw all firearms.  No, they're not likely to get their way at the moment, but the possibility of any anti-gun legislation taking place is legitimate reason for gun rights advocates to be concerned.

Slippery slope logic.
I assume you also must be a die-hard ACLU fan, since the possibility of any infringement of any civil liberty is reason to be concerned.

[derspiess]

Wow.  Mentally ill?  Really?  Do you apply that label to those who passionately defend other freedoms?

Anyway, the fact of the matter is that many Dems would very much like to outlaw all firearms.  No, they're not likely to get their way at the moment, but the possibility of any anti-gun legislation taking place is legitimate reason for gun rights advocates to be concerned.

Slippery slope logic.
I assume you also must be a die-hard ACLU fan, since the possibility of any infringement of any civil liberty is reason to be concerned.

Not ACLU so much, but I'm a big fan of the bill of rights.

[Razgovory]

Just not the people who defend it passionately?

[Valmy]

Wow.  Mentally ill?  Really?  Do you apply that label to those who passionately defend other freedoms?

Paranoid yes.  It gets me annoyed because what are the Dems proposing here?  A massive increase in the surveliance state.  But it seems that is cool so long as no gun control...because it seems that is all we need for our freedoms.

I support gun rights completely moron.  Not the over-the-top crazy hysterical way the paranoid crazies go at it.

Anyway, the fact of the matter is that many Dems would very much like to outlaw all firearms.  No, they're not likely to get their way at the moment, but the possibility of any anti-gun legislation taking place is legitimate reason for gun rights advocates to be concerned.

History has shown that even when the gun control peeps have popular support AND control of the congress they cannot get anything passed that is anything but a minor annoyance.  They continue talking about 'no military grade weapons blah blah' as if that is meaningful.

Classic liberal

Yep.

[Valmy]

And mentally ill was pretty strong.  I just hate those little 'this is how guns make us safe and free' pictures going around, it just seems to Michael Moorish.

[derspiess]

Paranoid yes.  It gets me annoyed because what are the Dems proposing here?  A massive increase in the surveliance state.  But it seems that is cool so long as no gun control...because it seems that is all we need for our freedoms.

Who is proposing that?  And are you sure no Dems are proposing gun restrictions?

I support gun rights completely moron.  Not the over-the-top crazy hysterical way the paranoid crazies go at it.

Again, do you go after similar-acting freedom of speech advocates the same way?

History has shown that even when the gun control peeps have popular support AND control of the congress they cannot get anything passed that is anything but a minor annoyance.

One could argue that the "paranoia" you refer to helped prevent meaningful anti-gun legislation at the federal level.

And that's ignoring the state level, at which many states have enacted significant anti-gun laws.

[Razgovory]

I thought you guys were all about states rights.

[Admiral Yi]

Until overturned by the USSC, DC had a de facto private gun ban.  So I don't think it's nutter butter paranoid to think that some people want to take guns away completely.

[derspiess]

I thought you guys were all about states rights.

You seriously trying to use that line?

[Razgovory]

I thought you guys were all about states rights.

You seriously trying to use that line?

You and I had this argument about state's rights and local control a little while ago.  Hell, I think guns were the example I used.  Can't find the thread right now.  I think it was in April of last year.  I was arguing that local control was a bullshit position and used gun rights as an example.

[derspiess]

I thought you guys were all about states rights.

You seriously trying to use that line?

You and I had this argument about state's rights and local control a little while ago.  Hell, I think guns were the example I used.  Can't find the thread right now.  I think it was in April of last year.  I was arguing that local control was a bullshit position and used gun rights as an example.

So the fact that you've used that line before is proof of-- what, again?  It's a weak argument to make, but I'll let you go on and tell me how "states rights" supporters should have zero qualms about anti-gun legislation.

[Razgovory]

It was in the context of another law concerning abortion.  You said you opposed the law but really didn't care because it was in Ohio, I pointed out that's why the state's rights issue is bullshit because if it was guns you would give a shit.