Elementary school shooting gun control pissing contest

Started by Grey Fox, December 14, 2012, 01:25:41 PM

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CountDeMoney

Ugh...just got an email from an acquaintance of mine this afternoon;  the father of one of the Sandy Hook kids was his best man at his wedding.

Just turned 7 years old three days earlier, was going to have her big girl birthday party the next day. 

What a bummer of an email.

11B4V

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2013, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 10, 2013, 11:41:57 AM
It is an interesting legal question,

No, it isn't, as there is no question.  They are being voluntarily surrendered in exchange for compensation, they are not being seized nor abandoned.  So there is no question.  Stop playing Gun Nut, Esq.

Quotebut since the turned in guns are usually in bad shape, to the point of only being "guns" in the legal sense, screw it.  Occasionally though you spot a rare item in the pile of turn-ins, so that's a shame when it happens.

Well, that's just to fucking bad.

Compensation.... :lmfao: Dude their is no way I will volutarliy turn in a $1700 rifle for $200.
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11B4V

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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

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Berkut

Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2013, 05:19:38 PM


*In fact the bigger problem for us was that these guns tended to be so shitty it was hard to prove they still even worked.

Have you ever let the fact that the weapon in question doesn't work stop you from sending someone to jail for killing someone with it?
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Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2013, 06:34:15 PM
Ugh...just got an email from an acquaintance of mine this afternoon;  the father of one of the Sandy Hook kids was his best man at his wedding.

Just turned 7 years old three days earlier, was going to have her big girl birthday party the next day. 

What a bummer of an email.

It's a small price to pay for freedom.

Excuse me while I go throw up.
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mongers

Quote from: Berkut on January 10, 2013, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2013, 06:34:15 PM
Ugh...just got an email from an acquaintance of mine this afternoon;  the father of one of the Sandy Hook kids was his best man at his wedding.

Just turned 7 years old three days earlier, was going to have her big girl birthday party the next day. 

What a bummer of an email.

It's a small price to pay for freedom.

Excuse me while I go throw up.

Yes, it makes loosing a sibling in a road 'accident' seem less than terrible.
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garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2013, 06:34:15 PM
Ugh...just got an email from an acquaintance of mine this afternoon;  the father of one of the Sandy Hook kids was his best man at his wedding.

Just turned 7 years old three days earlier, was going to have her big girl birthday party the next day. 

What a bummer of an email.

:(
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Barrister

Quote from: Berkut on January 10, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2013, 05:19:38 PM


*In fact the bigger problem for us was that these guns tended to be so shitty it was hard to prove they still even worked.

Have you ever let the fact that the weapon in question doesn't work stop you from sending someone to jail for killing someone with it?

The homicides I've worked on have never been by firearm. :(

The "offence" the firearm is involved in is usually unsafe storage.

Dude, this is Canada, not the U.S.  You can't keep your rifle loaded and under the bed!

And it's not that the weapon didn't work - it' that it was so shitty no police officer wanted to risk their life test-firing it.
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dps

Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 12:05:49 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 10, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2013, 05:19:38 PM


*In fact the bigger problem for us was that these guns tended to be so shitty it was hard to prove they still even worked.

Have you ever let the fact that the weapon in question doesn't work stop you from sending someone to jail for killing someone with it?

The homicides I've worked on have never been by firearm. :(

The "offence" the firearm is involved in is usually unsafe storage.

Dude, this is Canada, not the U.S.  You can't keep your rifle loaded and under the bed!

And it's not that the weapon didn't work - it' that it was so shitty no police officer wanted to risk their life test-firing it.

WTF?  Do you have Mounties going around inspecting people's homes for loaded rifles under their beds?

Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 12:05:49 AM

The homicides I've worked on have never been by firearm. :(


I do not envy you.  When I studied some law enforcement in college, I quickly realized that it's a really unpleasant business.
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Malthus

Quote from: dps on January 11, 2013, 12:29:23 AM
WTF?  Do you have Mounties going around inspecting people's homes for loaded rifles under their beds?

I assume it comes up when someone is on the cop's radar for some other reason.

Cops get called in on a domestic dispute, and sticking out from under the bed is a loaded shotgun = unsafe storage charge, that sort of thing.
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Barrister

Quote from: dps on January 11, 2013, 12:29:23 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 12:05:49 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 10, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2013, 05:19:38 PM


*In fact the bigger problem for us was that these guns tended to be so shitty it was hard to prove they still even worked.

Have you ever let the fact that the weapon in question doesn't work stop you from sending someone to jail for killing someone with it?

The homicides I've worked on have never been by firearm. :(

The "offence" the firearm is involved in is usually unsafe storage.

Dude, this is Canada, not the U.S.  You can't keep your rifle loaded and under the bed!

And it's not that the weapon didn't work - it' that it was so shitty no police officer wanted to risk their life test-firing it.

WTF?  Do you have Mounties going around inspecting people's homes for loaded rifles under their beds?

If only. :(

Malthus has it right - unsafe storage is a fairly common charge, but it invariably is laid when polcie are called for some other reason, then discover the improperly stored firearm.
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derspiess

Quote from: mongers on January 10, 2013, 01:55:35 PM
[derspiess]
One of the greatest tragedies of World War Two was the genocide of valuable weapons slaughtered at the end of the war; those weapons still had a lot to contribute to humanity. 
[/derspiess]

No shit.  One of the saddest stories is that all those MP44s that survived WWII and were then used by East Germany prior to adoption of the AK were later given away *free* to socialist African countries/movements.  Might as well have just sunk crates of them at the bottom of the sea :(

They could have been modified to semi-auto and sold on the surplus market.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 10:31:34 AM
No shit.  One of the saddest stories is that all those MP44s that survived WWII and were then used by East Germany prior to adoption of the AK were later given away *free* to socialist African countries/movements.  Might as well have just sunk crates of them at the bottom of the sea :(

I dunno, the Africans just used them on each other, the dolphins might have used them on us. :o
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