Elementary school shooting gun control pissing contest

[Admiral Yi]

Feinstein introduced her wish list bill, and one could argue that it's a starting point and could be pared down to something that would pass the Senate.  No way it would pass the House, though.  Not sure if anything other than a symbolic measure would.

I'd forgotten about that.  Do you recall the particulars?

[derspiess]

Feinstein introduced her wish list bill, and one could argue that it's a starting point and could be pared down to something that would pass the Senate.  No way it would pass the House, though.  Not sure if anything other than a symbolic measure would.

I'd forgotten about that.  Do you recall the particulars?

Shore do, though some of the 'particulars' are a little vague:

Here's a summary of Feinstein's wish list, er, bill:  http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

In January, Senator Feinstein will introduce a bill to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devises.

Heh.

[CountDeMoney]

Now see, this is a prime example of why people think the NRA is as squirrelly as it gets.  Morons acting like the guns are fucking fetuses.

NRA Vows To Stop Tucson From Destroying Guns
www.npr.com

Former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., and her husband, Mark Kelly, have formed a political action committee to support prevention of gun violence. The announcement came Tuesday, the second anniversary of the mass shooting in Tucson that left six dead and wounded 13, including Giffords.

Churches and fire stations around the city rang bells in memory of the victims and in commemoration of other mass shootings since Tucson.

The Tucson Police Department also held a gun buyback Tuesday. Police want to destroy the 206 firearms turned in to them. But the National Rifle Association says that would violate Arizona law.

A line of people with guns formed in front of the midtown Tucson police station well before the 9 a.m. starting time for the buyback.

At a command post in the parking lot, officers checked weapons to make sure they hadn't been stolen or used in a crime, and took the guns. The people who turned them in got a $50 Safeway gift card for every gun — money donated by the grocery chain and by private contributors.

Anna Jolivet had four old rifles she didn't want: "They belonged to my husband, and he passed away four years ago, and I haven't had any success in having someone take them off of me since then. So I thought this is a good time to turn them in."

That's exactly what Republican Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik expected when he asked the police to do the buyback. What he didn't expect was the response after he announced the event.

"I've been getting threats," Kozachik says. "I've been getting emails. I've been getting phone calls in the office trying to shut this thing down or 'We're going to sue you' or 'Who do you think you are?' "

Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and a national board member of the NRA, may sue. He has no problem with the gun buyback, but he does have a problem with the fate of the guns once police take possession of them.

"We do believe that it is illegal for them to destroy those guns," he says.

Rathner says Arizona state law forces local governments to sell seized or abandoned property to the highest bidder.

"If property has been abandoned to the police, then they are required by ARS 12-945 to sell it to a federally licensed firearms dealer, and that's exactly what they should do," he says.

That way, Rathner says, the guns can be put back in circulation or given away.

The Tucson city attorney calls that a misreading of the law.

Councilman Kozachik says the guns aren't being abandoned; they're being turned in voluntarily.

"This is about giving somebody the chance to say, 'Look I'm not comfortable having this weapon, here's an opportunity for me to just get rid of it in a proper manner,' " Kozachik says.

Rathner says the NRA will ask for an accounting of every weapon turned in and then go to court to stop the firearms from being destroyed. If that doesn't work, Rathner says they'll change the law.

"We just go back and we tweak it and tune it up, and we work with our friends in the Legislature and fix it so they can't do it," Rathner adds.

At the gun buyback, gun-rights advocates held signs reading "Cash For Guns" and "Pay Double for Your Guns." As cars pulled into the parking lot, they asked drivers if they wanted to sell their guns privately rather than turn them in. There were few takers.

Doug Deahn couldn't understand it: "Can't figure they'd rather line up and give them away. Can't figure that out."

What's to become of the weapons may still be unclear. But in the current political climate, this controversy seems to show that, in Arizona at least, it's tough for an owner to get rid of an unwanted gun.

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[CountDeMoney]

It would be funnier if these people weren't so dangerous.

[Malthus]

I always though 'gun rights' issues were about the rights of the gun owners.

How wrong I was. 

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[lustindarkness]

Nice.

[Neil]

Doug Deahn couldn't understand it: "Can't figure they'd rather line up and give them away. Can't figure that out."

I would imagine that they want to avoid the legal fallout when these nutjobs start shooting up schools or federal buildings or what have you.

[derspiess]

It would be funnier if these people weren't so dangerous.

It is an interesting legal question, but since the turned in guns are usually in bad shape, to the point of only being "guns" in the legal sense, screw it.  Occasionally though you spot a rare item in the pile of turn-ins, so that's a shame when it happens.

[CountDeMoney]

It is an interesting legal question,

No, it isn't, as there is no question.  They are being voluntarily surrendered in exchange for compensation, they are not being seized nor abandoned.  So there is no question.  Stop playing Gun Nut, Esq.

but since the turned in guns are usually in bad shape, to the point of only being "guns" in the legal sense, screw it.  Occasionally though you spot a rare item in the pile of turn-ins, so that's a shame when it happens.

Well, that's just to fucking bad.

[mongers]

It is an interesting legal question,

No, it isn't, as there is no question.  They are being voluntarily surrendered in exchange for compensation, they are not being seized nor abandoned.  So there is no question.  Stop playing Gun Nut, Esq.

but since the turned in guns are usually in bad shape, to the point of only being "guns" in the legal sense, screw it.  Occasionally though you spot a rare item in the pile of turn-ins, so that's a shame when it happens.

Well, that's just to fucking bad.

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One of the greatest tragedies of World War Two was the genocide of valuable weapons slaughtered at the end of the war; those weapons still had a lot to contribute to humanity. 

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[Phillip V]

[Syt]

Cute Firefly reference.

[Barrister]

It would be funnier if these people weren't so dangerous.

It is an interesting legal question, but since the turned in guns are usually in bad shape, to the point of only being "guns" in the legal sense, screw it.  Occasionally though you spot a rare item in the pile of turn-ins, so that's a shame when it happens.

I had to deal with a local judge in rural Alberta who'd always give me grief when I asked for a gun that had been used in the commission of a crime to be forfeited for destruction.  He argued they should be re-sold so the government could gain the money.

But I went and asked the local RCMP and the Chief Firearms Officer.  They wanted no part of re-selling the firearms.  They tended to be in shitty condition*, and wanted nothing to do with the potential liability of selling shitty used guns.


*In fact the bigger problem for us was that these guns tended to be so shitty it was hard to prove they still even worked.