End of the LTTE?

[Viking]

Actually caliga, viking, blacks are Southerners.

I was making a very conservative estimate, as it is hard to track the number of yankees and hispanics who have merrily come here and refused to assimilate.

Southern Blacks!!!

[Berkut]

Oh well, divide and conquer spells misfortune for our nation. We may overcome eventually anyhow.

Yeah, it is a bitch to convince the slaves that you are really on their side, isn't it?

So unfair.

[Habbaku]

Yeah, it is a bitch to convince the slaves that you are really on their side, isn't it?

Should've promised them their freedom if they had fought.  That is, earlier than we did.   

[Caliga]

I actually really knew what you meant, Lettuce, but I wanted you to come out and say it.

IMO a Southerner is someone who lives in the South, period.  I don't like this whole nonsense about "carpetbaggers".... arguably my Southernness is more significant than yours because I chose to live here, whereas simple happenstance rendered you 'Southern'.

OTOH you can (and probably will) make the argument that Kentucky isn't really the south, since it did not join Dixie and revolt wholesale.

[jimmy olsen]

You laugh, but Southerners and Tamils are the largest national groups to be denied autonomy. They deserve a country as much as we do.

Kurds, Tibetans, Uigurs ?

There are 60 million Tamils if you count those living in India IIRC

[Berkut]

Yeah, it is a bitch to convince the slaves that you are really on their side, isn't it?

Should've promised them their freedom if they had fought.  That is, earlier than we did.  

Indeed.

Of course, if you had been willing to give them their freedom, there never would have been a fight to begin with.

[Caliga]

Of course, if you had been willing to give them their freedom, there never would have been a fight to begin with.

Of course there would have been, what are you talking about?  The war was about STATES RAHTS. 

[Lettow77]

Blacks revolted due to class interest. Coincidentally, postwar treatment by other Southerners vindicated their actions. Im sorry about that, but I didint do it. None of this makes them non-Southerners.

The idea that someone who lives in the South is a Southerner makes about as much sense as anyone who lives in England being english. mind, alot of people will accept that notion, so there you go. But there is a national/ethnic/cultural identity, I hope you understand.

Kentucky is in the South, but I no longer think Southerners are the majority there? It is hard to say. Southerners may only be a signifigant minority, with appalachians and yankees outnumbering them.

As far as Kentucky's conduct in the war is concerned, they have little to be concerned with. Like many blacks, economic concerns tied large portions of Kentucky to the north, to the point where commercial interests trumped national identification. Even so, and despite the state being wholly occupied for much of the war, Kentuckians served their nation with distinction. The Orphan brigade leaves very small room for criticism.

[derspiess]

So how do you tell if someone in the South is Southern or not?  Is it just the way they talk?  Or do they need to consume a certain amount of grits per year?  Watch NASCAR??

[Darth Wagtaros]

Yeah, it is a bitch to convince the slaves that you are really on their side, isn't it?

Should've promised them their freedom if they had fought.  That is, earlier than we did.  

Indeed.

Of course, if you had been willing to give them their freedom, there never would have been a fight to begin with.

It was about freedom and self determination adn states rights!

[Neil]

I was making a very conservative estimate, as it is hard to track the number of yankees and hispanics who have merrily come here and refused to assimilate.

The North won the war.  They don't have to assimilate, because they were right.

[Valmy]

IMO a Southerner is someone who lives in the South, period.  I don't like this whole nonsense about "carpetbaggers".... arguably my Southernness is more significant than yours because I chose to live here, whereas simple happenstance rendered you 'Southern'.

To Lettuce we have to embrace and create old world ethnic bullshit of collective rights and purity.  The South will be free when they have their own country and make everybody who lives there who is not 'Southern' some sort of foreigner.  For freedom, of course.

I prefer the individual rights the people who founded this country embraced.

Anyway the idea the Tamils and the many other groups of people in the subcontinent lack 'autonomy' in the Democratic State of India is a dangerous idea that would result in the deaths of tens of millions if psychopathic nutcases like Lettuce have his way.

[Neil]

I prefer the individual rights the people who founded this country embraced.

Except they didn't.

[Valmy]

Except they didn't.

Well they laid the foundation for it at least

[Lettow77]

You know, valmy, I believe in individual liberties and the sanctity of sovereign states over an overbearing central government.

Its not like I would ever encourage any ethnic cleansing or the sort. The South as a free country would just be able to govern itself more in line with it's population's desires than it does now, and its culture would stop receding and start recovering.

Im not a 'psychopathic nutcase' by any means. Y'all have some pretty out there notions of me, and I apologise for that.