No Person Got Shot, Stabbed, Slashed, or Murdered in NYC Monday

[Ed Anger]

That is what makes NYC exciting. In Berlin, they nanny everybody. In NYC, an impromptu live version of the Warriors might break out.

USA wins.

[KRonn]

The New York crime rate is really a marvel.  If it really ends up around 400 it will be lowest number of annual murders in NYC since pre-prohibition days.  When you compare the populations that is astounding.  Whatever they are doing I hope every city can.

The trouble is that we don't know why the crime rates are falling. In the UK homicides peaked 10 years ago and then started falling, there were only 550 last year.......in a population of 63m. Most of the other crimes are falling too, even though we are also in the 4th year of economic gloom and despondency, most of the "experts" predicted it would go up with economic hard times 

Well now, our Western societies are just failing at even getting crime done right!   

[Sheilbh]

The trouble is that we don't know why the crime rates are falling. In the UK homicides peaked 10 years ago and then started falling, there were only 550 last year.......in a population of 63m. Most of the other crimes are falling too, even though we are also in the 4th year of economic gloom and despondency, most of the "experts" predicted it would go up with economic hard times 

I wonder how much of it's to do with ageing?

It may be astounding for a US city, but it's still way, way too high by European standards.  Germany, all of it, has about 200 murders per year.

Indeed.  Boris always likes that line when plugging London (recently in India) over New York as a city to do business in - we've more bookshops and less murder

[Tonitrus]

I think it looks like we're doing ok....

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/10/homicide-rates

[Admiral Yi]

Thank God we don't have Europe's pickpocket problem though.

Anyone got any comparative stats on muggings?

[Sheilbh]

Don't know if this is accurate or would cover pickpocketing (which has never happened, ever, to anyone I know), or whether it's just muggings:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob_vic-crime-robbery-victims

[Admiral Yi]

Don't know if this is accurate or would cover pickpocketing (which has never happened, ever, to anyone I know), or whether it's just muggings:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob_vic-crime-robbery-victims

No real gypsies in England.

[Sheilbh]

We can travel

[CountDeMoney]

We can travel

Got enough of those, too. 

[garbon]

Regardless of that, the point is that NYC murder rate is impressive for a US city.  Compared to Western European countries, even many economic basket cases, it's still atrocious.

Why the fuck do we care about Europe?

[DGuller]

I think it looks like we're doing ok....

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/10/homicide-rates

This is masking the relative safety of Europe.  There is an infinite difference expressed as a ratio between a rate of 0 and 3. 

[DGuller]

Regardless of that, the point is that NYC murder rate is impressive for a US city.  Compared to Western European countries, even many economic basket cases, it's still atrocious.

Why the fuck do we care about Europe?

As a point of comparison?  We should probably measure ourselves against Europe rather than Venezuela.

[garbon]

But no one was making comparisons till you came in blathering about Europe. Like it so much, go back!

[DGuller]

But no one was making comparisons till you came in blathering about Europe. Like it so much, go back!

Pardon me for targeting what is known to be humanly possible, and not just against own past experience.

[Sheilbh]

But no one was making comparisons till you came in blathering about Europe. Like it so much, go back!

Actually Ukraine's as dangerous as the US.  DG's safe nowhere!