Church of England votes against woman bishops

Started by merithyn, November 21, 2012, 01:56:57 PM

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Neil

Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2012, 04:11:38 PM
Geez everybody in history is gay according to Marty.  :lol:
A common ploy to attempt to justify his mental illness.
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Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2012, 04:11:38 PM
Geez everybody in history is gay according to Marty.  :lol:
A common ploy to attempt to justify his mental illness.
So when you're saying all gays are mentally ill it's just a ploy to justify ... ?
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I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on November 21, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
Do people still belong to the CoE?

Of course.  2% of England is still 1 million people.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 03:00:09 PM
Christ was male.  Priests are the symbolic representation of Christ, and the Church his bride.  Ergo, priests are male.  It is not a doctrinal issue, but a sacred tradition.  There is no debate.

It's not an issue of gender equality, as Mary was elevated to Holy Mother, above and beyond the Apostles.  So there, sugar tits.

Do you actually believe this or are you just explaining Catholic logic?

I know the Catholics have some really trippy shit but the church is a woman somehow and Jesus got married? I guess that's in one of the catholic books.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: chipwich on November 21, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 03:00:09 PM
Christ was male.  Priests are the symbolic representation of Christ, and the Church his bride.  Ergo, priests are male.  It is not a doctrinal issue, but a sacred tradition.  There is no debate.

It's not an issue of gender equality, as Mary was elevated to Holy Mother, above and beyond the Apostles.  So there, sugar tits.

Do you actually believe this or are you just explaining Catholic logic?

I know the Catholics have some really trippy shit but the church is a woman somehow and Jesus got married? I guess that's in one of the catholic books.

Do any of you snot-nosed, smug monkeys ever take theology, or are all your philosophy courses restricted to the post-industrial atheists?

No, don't read up on the history of western civilization without its most influential institution or anything, that would be wrong.  AUGUSTINE WAS A HIPPO

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

chipwich

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: chipwich on November 21, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 03:00:09 PM
Christ was male.  Priests are the symbolic representation of Christ, and the Church his bride.  Ergo, priests are male.  It is not a doctrinal issue, but a sacred tradition.  There is no debate.

It's not an issue of gender equality, as Mary was elevated to Holy Mother, above and beyond the Apostles.  So there, sugar tits.

Do you actually believe this or are you just explaining Catholic logic?

I know the Catholics have some really trippy shit but the church is a woman somehow and Jesus got married? I guess that's in one of the catholic books.

Do any of you snot-nosed, smug monkeys ever take theology, or are all your philosophy courses restricted to the post-industrial atheists?

No, don't read up on the history of western civilization without its most influential institution or anything, that would be wrong.  AUGUSTINE WAS A HIPPO
I'm not going to take a fucking theology course just to sort out marianism. Then again, if actual Catholic theology was like this thread, the professor would announce IT'S ANCIENT TRADITION CLASS DISMISSED.

I'm not familiar with the Catholic books. Could you point me to where it says that churches are women and you can marry them, an that Jesus did so?

Does this mean that marriage is not strictly between a man and a woman, since it can also be between a man and a church?

Malthus

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 21, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
The tradition dates back to the cultural norms in place at the founding of the church. I see no reason why if the church were beholden to those norms back then, that it can't adapt to the ones we have now.

We are talking Anglicanism here. The "traditions" of Anglicanism, what make it distinct from Catholicism, were based not in theology but in a burning desire to create bishops willing to accomodate Henry VIII's desire to replace his wife with a younger, hotter model.  :P

... which come to think of it might explain the "no women bishops" thing.  :hmm:
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Legbiter

Quote from: chipwich on November 21, 2012, 06:00:19 PM

No theology courses at land-grant universities. Not that sorting out Marianism would be a good use of university resources if it had them.

I'm not familiar with the Catholic books. Could you point me to where it says that churches are women and you can marry them, an that Jesus did so?

Does this mean that marriage is not strictly between a man and a woman, since it can also be between a man and a church?

Sorry chip but you just got spanked fair and square.

And I suppose monasticism is a "marriage" between man and church.
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chipwich

Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 21, 2012, 02:53:15 PM

I'd rather have a 95% atheist world with 5% true Christians than a bunch of CINOs running around with modern, incompatible views on the Church.

I think you've confused Roman Catholicism for Jehovah's Witnesses. Better check with CDM's theology professor.

Razgovory

Quote from: chipwich on November 21, 2012, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 21, 2012, 02:53:15 PM

I'd rather have a 95% atheist world with 5% true Christians than a bunch of CINOs running around with modern, incompatible views on the Church.

I think you've confused Roman Catholicism for Jehovah's Witnesses. Better check with CDM's theology professor.

Dude, it's in history books.  It's not like it's some kind of big secret.  Nuns were frequently called the "brides of Christ", in the middle ages.  You don't have to look through books on theology to find it.  Ordinary history of the middle ages will suffice.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

chipwich

Quote from: Razgovory on November 21, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: chipwich on November 21, 2012, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 21, 2012, 02:53:15 PM

I'd rather have a 95% atheist world with 5% true Christians than a bunch of CINOs running around with modern, incompatible views on the Church.

I think you've confused Roman Catholicism for Jehovah's Witnesses. Better check with CDM's theology professor.

Dude, it's in history books.  It's not like it's some kind of big secret.  Nuns were frequently called the "brides of Christ", in the middle ages.  You don't have to look through books on theology to find it.  Ordinary history of the middle ages will suffice.

I'm not asking what the Catholic Church calls nuns. I'm asking why that should be so.

chipwich

Also were monks called the catamites of Christ? Why not?