Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari killed by Israeli strike

[Kleves]

In this conflict only of the side has the means to end the conflict. At some point Isreal and the rest of the World going to have to face that fact.

You mean the Israelis should just kill all the Palestinians and have done with it?

[DGuller]

In some macabre way, terrorism is understandable when you're in Palestinian shoes.  You don't have the military to fight Israel, so if you're forced to fight it, you have to resort to such means to sap its morale.  Morality and ethics is the luxury of the haves.

[Grey Fox]

In this conflict only of the side has the means to end the conflict. At some point Isreal and the rest of the World going to have to face that fact.

You mean the Israelis should just kill all the Palestinians and have done with it?

Kick them all out would suffice, I think.

[Viking]

 

Is this translated directly from Norwegian? The  grammar's a bit off.

Grammar is bad because I wrote it without editing.

[Razgovory]

In some macabre way, terrorism is understandable when you're in Palestinian shoes.  You don't have the military to fight Israel, so if you're forced to fight it, you have to resort to such means to sap its morale.  Morality and ethics is the luxury of the haves.

My ancestors just packed up and left.

[dps]

In this conflict only of the side has the means to end the conflict. At some point Isreal and the rest of the World going to have to face that fact.

You mean the Israelis should just kill all the Palestinians and have done with it?

Kick them all out would suffice, I think.

Send them to Madagascar?

[Viking]

It's true.

In this conflict only of the side has the means to end the conflict. At some point Isreal and the rest of the World going to have to face that fact.

You suggest that this conflict is a voluntary one and that if Israel just withdraws to it's legally recognized international border with the legally recognized UN member Arab Republic of Palestine and ceases to be exceptionally vile and malevolent in it's patently illegal occupation of Palestine then all will be well and dandy?

Because that worked so well when Israel did that in Lebanon and Gaza. Oh, and there is no international border or state. The conflict ends when the parties negotiate an end. Israeli political leaders of both sides of the spectrum have offered detailed final status proposals that will end the conflict the Palestinians have not, in fact when the Israelis do the Palestinian leaders usually do their level best to escape the negotiation location. Abbas is boycotting talks, not Netanyahu.

[Viking]

That's Marxian history analysis in action. Twisting every act in history into a cookie cutter mold of oppressor vs. oppressed fighting over resources results virtually every time i the stronger side being defied as evil by virtue of being stronger.

Might makes wrong?

That's the assumption. It's a zero sum view of the world, if you have power and wealth then you stole it from those who have less than you.

[Viking]

In some macabre way, terrorism is understandable when you're in Palestinian shoes.  You don't have the military to fight Israel, so if you're forced to fight it, you have to resort to such means to sap its morale.  Morality and ethics is the luxury of the haves.

That's claptrap.

Lets say, you are locked in a tight urban area surrounded by enemies who are at best blithely callous of your fate and at worst plotting genocide against you. Do you send commandos through the tunnels or sewers to murder their civilians as your only means of resistance? Well, I know what the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto didn't do. They didn't even try to kill any of the German civilians, often the wives and children of the SS men getting ready to send them to Auschwitz.

Lets say, you are heavily outnumbered by a more technologically advanced foe with modern army leadership equipped with some of the best planes and tanks in the world and you are only equipped with home made bombs and small arms. Do you refuse to negotiate and kill any and all enemy civilians you can find? Do you permit murderous terror groups to operate freely? Well, I know the Jews in the 1947 war were outnumbered by Arab state armies equipped with Spitfires and Shermans equipped only with light arms. The Jews arrested terrorist leaders like Menachim Begin and disarmed groups like the Irgun and Stern Gang who did carry out murders of civilians.

[Grey Fox]

It's true.

In this conflict only of the side has the means to end the conflict. At some point Isreal and the rest of the World going to have to face that fact.

You suggest that this conflict is a voluntary one and that if Israel just withdraws to it's legally recognized international border with the legally recognized UN member Arab Republic of Palestine and ceases to be exceptionally vile and malevolent in it's patently illegal occupation of Palestine then all will be well and dandy?

Because that worked so well when Israel did that in Lebanon and Gaza. Oh, and there is no international border or state. The conflict ends when the parties negotiate an end. Israeli political leaders of both sides of the spectrum have offered detailed final status proposals that will end the conflict the Palestinians have not, in fact when the Israelis do the Palestinian leaders usually do their level best to escape the negotiation location. Abbas is boycotting talks, not Netanyahu.

Yes but exactly the opposite.

[Viking]

It's true.

In this conflict only of the side has the means to end the conflict. At some point Isreal and the rest of the World going to have to face that fact.

You suggest that this conflict is a voluntary one and that if Israel just withdraws to it's legally recognized international border with the legally recognized UN member Arab Republic of Palestine and ceases to be exceptionally vile and malevolent in it's patently illegal occupation of Palestine then all will be well and dandy?

Because that worked so well when Israel did that in Lebanon and Gaza. Oh, and there is no international border or state. The conflict ends when the parties negotiate an end. Israeli political leaders of both sides of the spectrum have offered detailed final status proposals that will end the conflict the Palestinians have not, in fact when the Israelis do the Palestinian leaders usually do their level best to escape the negotiation location. Abbas is boycotting talks, not Netanyahu.

Yes but exactly the opposite.

ah, so you suggest that there is a recognized international border or a palestinian state or the occupation is illegal or that the occupation is exceptionally vile and malevolent or are you suggesting that israels unilateral withdrawls from lebanon and gaza produced peace or that the israelis have not made detailed final status proposals or that the palestinians have or that israeli leaders have skiddadled from peace talks or that netanyahu is boycotting the talks?

details please...

[Grey Fox]

I'm suggesting that Isreal drive the Palestinians to the Sea.

[Viking]

I'm suggesting that Isreal drive the Palestinians to the Sea.

That's just immoral and stupid. I thought you were joking.

[Fate]

In some macabre way, terrorism is understandable when you're in Palestinian shoes.  You don't have the military to fight Israel, so if you're forced to fight it, you have to resort to such means to sap its morale.  Morality and ethics is the luxury of the haves.

.. The Jews arrested terrorist leaders like Menachim Begin and disarmed groups like the Irgun and Stern Gang who did carry out murders of civilians.

And then made him their leader? That's one strong condemnation of terrorism. 

[Grey Fox]

I'm suggesting that Isreal drive the Palestinians to the Sea.

That's just immoral and stupid. I thought you were joking.

Why is it stupid?

The Palestinians could also get a clue & stop following Hamas line of conduct but that is asking too much out of Muslims.