Different Perceptions of Reality in the US Presidential Election

Started by Jacob, November 02, 2012, 12:55:16 AM

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Razgovory

I'm going to trust Dguller here.  This is the kind of stuff he's trained for.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

OttoVonBismarck

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 02, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 02, 2012, 12:11:44 PM
I don't really like Nate Silver on a personal level

Is it the New York Times thing?  The Jew thing?  Or is it the PECOTA thing?  It certainly can't be his academic pedigree from Chicago.

The New York Times thing for sure, I'm fine with his academic and Jewish background. Anyone prominently cheerleading Obama I dislike, simple as that. His history as a sabermetrician also means on a personal level he's probably a douchebag. I like sabermetrics and think they are a better way to analyze ballplayers, but at the same time I've never liked the bloodless and smarmy nerds who make up the rank of sabermetrician and seem to revel in taking all casual fun out of the game.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 02, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
but at the same time I've never liked the bloodless and smarmy nerds who make up the rank of sabermetrician and seem to revel in taking all casual fun out of the game.

:lol:

Ed Anger

Gawker seems to like this Silver fella, so I now hate him.

Gawker = Kiss of death to me.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

merithyn

Quote from: Ed Anger on November 02, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
Gawker seems to like this Silver fella, so I now hate him.

Gawker = Kiss of death to me.

What the hell is this Gawker thing?
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

Ed Anger

Quote from: merithyn on November 02, 2012, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 02, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
Gawker seems to like this Silver fella, so I now hate him.

Gawker = Kiss of death to me.

What the hell is this Gawker thing?

New Yorkers. Homos. Plus the most annoying of thier sites, Jezebel. Which is inflamed vaginas whining about evil men.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Queequeg

Quote from: Scipio on November 02, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
The reality is that despite all of James Fallows's protestations, he's still in the bag for Barry, and he's a partisan hack.

This is massive fucking bullshit.  Fallow's coverage from China was some of the best reporting I've read on the country.  He's not a lefty Tucker Carlson.  Get real.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Scipio

Quote from: Queequeg on November 02, 2012, 06:34:52 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 02, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
The reality is that despite all of James Fallows's protestations, he's still in the bag for Barry, and he's a partisan hack.

This is massive fucking bullshit.  Fallow's coverage from China was some of the best reporting I've read on the country.  He's not a lefty Tucker Carlson.  Get real.

I'm sorry.  His reference to Rove as "Rover"?  Is that serious journalism?  I didn't realize calling political operatives names didn't violate journalistic ethics.  No, wait, I'm pretty sure that in my fucking high-school journalism class we learned that people's names were to be printed as they themselves spell them, in order to preserve journalistic integrity.  And don't give me that typographical error shit.

Fallows is a partisan hack.  His China coverage had no partisan angle, because both parties fear the Yellow Peril, and are thus equally racist when it comes to the Chicoms.
What I speak out of my mouth is the truth.  It burns like fire.
-Jose Canseco

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-Every cop, The Wire

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Sheilbh

Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 02, 2012, 04:25:09 PMI like sabermetrics and think they are a better way to analyze ballplayers, but at the same time I've never liked the bloodless and smarmy nerds who make up the rank of sabermetrician and seem to revel in taking all casual fun out of the game.
I feel the same about people like Silver writing about politics.

I also don't like Nate Silver on a personal level.  I've only seen him once or twice on TV but he annoys me a lot.  Arrogant and smug <_<
Let's bomb Russia!

Scipio

Nate Silver was a high-school debater from a wealthy white suburb in Michigan.  So you can all dislike him for that, too.
What I speak out of my mouth is the truth.  It burns like fire.
-Jose Canseco

There you go, giving a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck.
-Every cop, The Wire

"It is always good to be known for one's Krapp."
-John Hurt

Queequeg

Quote from: Scipio on November 02, 2012, 09:04:10 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on November 02, 2012, 06:34:52 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 02, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
The reality is that despite all of James Fallows's protestations, he's still in the bag for Barry, and he's a partisan hack.

This is massive fucking bullshit.  Fallow's coverage from China was some of the best reporting I've read on the country.  He's not a lefty Tucker Carlson.  Get real.

I'm sorry.  His reference to Rove as "Rover"?  Is that serious journalism?  I didn't realize calling political operatives names didn't violate journalistic ethics.  No, wait, I'm pretty sure that in my fucking high-school journalism class we learned that people's names were to be printed as they themselves spell them, in order to preserve journalistic integrity.  And don't give me that typographical error shit.

Fallows is a partisan hack.  His China coverage had no partisan angle, because both parties fear the Yellow Peril, and are thus equally racist when it comes to the Chicoms.

I'm pretty sure his cover article for The Atlantic on the debates predicted Romney's sizeable victory, and was generally held in as high a regard as anything this election.

He's slanted, maybe, but partisan hack is a term I reserve for Michael Moore or Ed Helms. He's a genuine intellectual. I don't really give a fuck what he called Karl Rove.

Sheilbh, a lot of the criticism of Silver makes me really uncomfortable. He's gay, Jewish and not particularly charismatic. A lot of the Republican "he's not a real man" shtick has a Der Stürmer vibe.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Sheilbh

Quote from: Queequeg on November 02, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
Sheilbh, a lot of the criticism of Silver makes me really uncomfortable. He's gay, Jewish and not particularly charismatic. A lot of the Republican "he's not a real man" shtick has a Der Stürmer vibe.
I didn't know he was gay, though he does have a slight gay vicar vibe to him - though so do I and so does Nigel Slater and I love him.  For me I think he's with Klein and Yglesias.  Their tone, when they write, or when they're on TV is arrogant and unpleasantly so, they come across contemptuous.
Let's bomb Russia!

Queequeg

They're young Turks. Yglesias has a sense of humor and an intellect that's substantially broader than most politicos, and I like that he is friends with Reihan. I think his blog on TP was substantially better than his current arrangement, too. Slate is truly awful.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

garbon

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garbon

Quote from: Ed Anger on November 02, 2012, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: merithyn on November 02, 2012, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 02, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
Gawker seems to like this Silver fella, so I now hate him.

Gawker = Kiss of death to me.

What the hell is this Gawker thing?

New Yorkers. Homos. Plus the most annoying of thier sites, Jezebel. Which is inflamed vaginas whining about evil men.

Both are just awful. Although I think unfortunately the gif link I liked about reactions to the hurricane was on jezebel. -_-
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.