The Elders - Good or bad for the international community?

[Darth Wagtaros]

Elders? Is Grumbler one of them?

He was when he was Alexander of Macedon's naval adviser.  He's long since retired from the world.

[Razgovory]

Elders? Is Grumbler one of them?

He was when he was Alexander of Macedon's naval adviser.  He's long since retired from the world.

He was know as Cleitus in those days.  To distinguish him from Ceitus the black and Cleitus the white he was known as Cleitus the beige.

[jimmy olsen]

Nothing the Space Wolves or Imperial Fists can't handle.

You people suck.  This was a great reference.   

I appreciated it. 

[Sheilbh]

Nothing the Space Wolves or Imperial Fists can't handle.

You people suck.  This was a great reference.   

I appreciated it. 

Poor CdM

[merithyn]

Jimmy Carter arguably already has--not as a member of this group, but through his own efforts.  I remember years ago, during the early part of the Clinton administration, that Sam Donaldson (certainly not someone considered to be a staunch conservative) was highly critical of the Clinton administration for allowing former President Carter so much influence on our policy on Haiti.  Donaldson's criticism essentially was that Carter's agenda is "peace at any price" and that while peace is certainly an admirable goal, it shouldn't be acheived by sacrificing everything else we believe in.

I remembered something about this, which is where my initial reaction came from.

[Phillip V]

Meh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elders_(organization)#Members


Desmond Tutu (Chair), Archbishop of Cape Town
Martti Ahtisaari, former President of Finland
Kofi Annan, former Secretary-General of the United Nations
Ela Bhatt, founder of the Self-Employed Women's Association of India
Lakhdar Brahimi, former Foreign Minister of Algeria
Gro Harlem Brundtland, former Prime Minister of Norway
Fernando Henrique Cardoso, former President of Brazil
Jimmy Carter, former President of the United States
Graça Machel, wife of Nelson Mandela
Mary Robinson, former President of Ireland

[dps]

Jimmy Carter arguably already has--not as a member of this group, but through his own efforts.  I remember years ago, during the early part of the Clinton administration, that Sam Donaldson (certainly not someone considered to be a staunch conservative) was highly critical of the Clinton administration for allowing former President Carter so much influence on our policy on Haiti.  Donaldson's criticism essentially was that Carter's agenda is "peace at any price" and that while peace is certainly an admirable goal, it shouldn't be acheived by sacrificing everything else we believe in.

I remembered something about this, which is where my initial reaction came from.

Keep in mind that there was a specific content to this at the time.  Bill Clinton came into office with essentially no foreign policy experience, nor did he articulate any particular foreign policy goals during the 1992 campaign.  None of his close advisors had any real foreign policy experience, either.  Donaldson's criticism wasn't so much of former President Carter, but rather that President Clinton, not having any foreign policy agenda of his own, was inappropriately allowing Carter to, in effect, run our foreign policy.  It should be noted that until his death, former President Nixon apparantly had more input into Clinton's foreign policy than did Carter--a lot more.  The difference was that Nixon's influence was exercised through advice that he gave to President Clinton in private;  while Carter was publicly making statements about what our policies should be, and Clinton appeared to often go along with Carter's ideas after they were aired publicly, giving at least the perception that Jimmy Carter, not Bill Clinton, was in charge of US foreign policy.  This perception faded as the Clinton administration gained experience. 

[garbon]

How about you and the soccer mom go cruise for new shoes instead of perpetrating a fraud, Mary?

Meri, Max and I had a nice lunch when I was living in Chicago, so what of it?

[Ideologue]

Do they have Protocols?

No, but I'm in the early phases of my plan to steal their gems.

[Caliga]

Meh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elders_(organization)#Members


Desmond Tutu (Chair), Archbishop of Cape Town
Martti Ahtisaari, former President of Finland
Kofi Annan, former Secretary-General of the United Nations
Ela Bhatt, founder of the Self-Employed Women's Association of India
Lakhdar Brahimi, former Foreign Minister of Algeria
Gro Harlem Brundtland, former Prime Minister of Norway
Fernando Henrique Cardoso, former President of Brazil
Jimmy Carter, former President of the United States
Graça Machel, wife of Nelson Mandela
Mary Robinson, former President of Ireland

Needs more Shub-Niggurath.

[Grey Fox]

Do they have any Scrolls?

[Josquius]

Sounds like they're trolling conspiracy nuts