If you think Mormonism is retarded, why you think the Bible is any different?

[Tamas]

I am sorry for the Martinus-esque thread, I might be a bit drunk.

So.... It is fine to make fun of mormonism. I sure do. But it is even looks to be fine for people who think there is a God and they base that on the Bible. Where Virgin Mary's half-god walks on water then his father have him executed, so that he becomes able to forgive the rest of mankind for being born. Except those who doesn't do as he says because then they go to hell. Unless -if you insert the applying sub-religion- a priest tells God otherwise by forgiving the sins.

[CountDeMoney]

Judaism: 3,000+ years old
Christianity: 2,000+ years old
Islam, PBUH: 1,200+ years old
Mormonism:  Invented a few weeks ago on the back of a cocktail napkin with the last two digits smeared by the condensation from a bottle of Rolling Rock nursed far too long while listening to Warrant's "Don't Know What You've Got" at 1:35am as you stare at yourself in the bar mirror wondering if the well-worn single mom barfly sitting next to you is really worth knowing where you live on a work night

[Viking]

Mormonism is more retarded than the bible. I hold this position simply because Mormonism says everything in the bible is true and then adds a whole load of claptrap about the planet Kolob, Eden being in Jackson, Missouri, Reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphs in the Book of Abraham and lots of other retarded BS. So mainstream Mormonism is more retarded than mainstream Christianities.

[Valmy]

I am sorry for the Martinus-esque thread, I might be a bit drunk.

So.... It is fine to make fun of mormonism. I sure do. But it is even looks to be fine for people who think there is a God and they base that on the Bible. Where Virgin Mary's half-god walks on water then his father have him executed, so that he becomes able to forgive the rest of mankind for being born. Except those who doesn't do as he says because then they go to hell. Unless -if you insert the applying sub-religion- a priest tells God otherwise by forgiving the sins.

I don't know if Catholic Doctrine is necessarily so explicitly stated in the Bible

The Bible is vague and not explicit and when it is explicit it tends to contradict itself later on just to cover up for the mistake.

[Eddie Teach]

There's an aura of uncertainty and mystery around the founding of the older religions. How do we know that Jesus didn't walk on water or conjure bread and fish? Do we know for sure he even claimed to be the messiah? Joseph Smith(and L Ron Hubbard, Sun Yung Moon, et al) comes from a much better documented time. We know he didn't bring forth any miracles or accurate prophecies to back up his claims. He was just a charismatic fellow who saw a path to status, wealth and pussy. Or maybe he was a bit unhinged and really believed his bullshit. Either way, he's clearly full of shit, there's no doubt to give him the benefit of.

[merithyn]

My only complaint against Mormonism is that they are such die-hard proselytizers. They, like many Christians, believe that it is their responsibility to make others like them.

But that's not really a complaint specific to Mormonism. That's a complaint against any religion who does that.

[Viking]

My only complaint against Mormonism is that they are such die-hard proselytizers. They, like many Christians, believe that it is their responsibility to make others like them.

But that's not really a complaint specific to Mormonism. That's a complaint against any religion who does that.

Actually I don't have an objection to that. If I knew that you were about to suffer eternal torture I would do what I could to help save you from that horrid fate. I can't fully respect somebody who thinks I'm going to hell and is willing to let it happen.

[merithyn]

Actually I don't have an objection to that. If I knew that you were about to suffer eternal torture I would do what I could to help save you from that horrid fate. I can't fully respect somebody who thinks I'm going to hell and is willing to let it happen.

I have no problem with them offering advice based on their beliefs when asked. I have a problem with them coming to my door and trying to change me from my own views because they think they're better at judging what's best for me than I am.

[Viking]

Actually I don't have an objection to that. If I knew that you were about to suffer eternal torture I would do what I could to help save you from that horrid fate. I can't fully respect somebody who thinks I'm going to hell and is willing to let it happen.

I have no problem with them offering advice based on their beliefs when asked. I have a problem with them coming to my door and trying to change me from my own views because they think they're better at judging what's best for me than I am.

The analogy would be that I know that there is an ax-murderer hiding in your bathroom ready to lop your head off when you go off to do whatever it you females call urinating and you do not know that. Not only do you not know that you are a sensible person and you have no good reason to believe that there is an ax murderer in the bathroom, things like that do not happen and to be honest I am being really really creepy by saying this. Now, in that situation, what is my moral obligation? Send the police to your house? Kidnap you before you need to wee? Watch you get kebabbed and sliced by Jason from Friday the 13th?

[garbon]

My only complaint against Mormonism is that they are such die-hard proselytizers. They, like many Christians, believe that it is their responsibility to make others like them.

But that's not really a complaint specific to Mormonism. That's a complaint against any religion who does that.

Actually I don't have an objection to that. If I knew that you were about to suffer eternal torture I would do what I could to help save you from that horrid fate. I can't fully respect somebody who thinks I'm going to hell and is willing to let it happen.

I don't know I mean for one the former person wouldn't be much fun to hang around.

[mongers]

Actually I don't have an objection to that. If I knew that you were about to suffer eternal torture I would do what I could to help save you from that horrid fate. I can't fully respect somebody who thinks I'm going to hell and is willing to let it happen.

I have no problem with them offering advice based on their beliefs when asked. I have a problem with them coming to my door and trying to change me from my own views because they think they're better at judging what's best for me than I am.

The analogy would be that I know that there is an ax-murderer hiding in your bathroom ready to lop your head off when you go off to do whatever it you females call urinating and you do not know that. Not only do you not know that you are a sensible person and you have no good reason to believe that there is an ax murderer in the bathroom, things like that do not happen and to be honest I am being really really creepy by saying this. Now, in that situation, what is my moral obligation? Send the police to your house? Kidnap you before you need to wee? Watch you get kebabbed and sliced by Jason from Friday the 13th?

You've been taking lessons from Marti, haven't you.

Meri and the Mormons are talking about religious beliefs*, whereas your 'scenario' describes extremely unlikely, but real happenings; thinks apples and claymore mines. 

[merithyn]

The analogy would be that I know that there is an ax-murderer hiding in your bathroom ready to lop your head off when you go off to do whatever it you females call urinating and you do not know that. Not only do you not know that you are a sensible person and you have no good reason to believe that there is an ax murderer in the bathroom, things like that do not happen and to be honest I am being really really creepy by saying this. Now, in that situation, what is my moral obligation? Send the police to your house? Kidnap you before you need to wee? Watch you get kebabbed and sliced by Jason from Friday the 13th?

Warn me, then let me decide for myself how I respond to that warning. It's called free-will for a reason.

[mongers]

Actually I don't have an objection to that. If I knew that you were about to suffer eternal torture I would do what I could to help save you from that horrid fate. I can't fully respect somebody who thinks I'm going to hell and is willing to let it happen.

I have no problem with them offering advice based on their beliefs when asked. I have a problem with them coming to my door and trying to change me from my own views because they think they're better at judging what's best for me than I am.

My primary objection to them and Jehovah Witnesses is a practical one, I've not yet got one to give me their home address, so I can go and knock on their door at a random inconvenient time.

[Razgovory]

You've been taking lessons from Marti, haven't you.

Meri and the Mormons are talking about religious beliefs*, whereas your 'scenario' describes extremely unlikely, but real happenings; thinks apples and claymore mines.

I think his point is that if believe someone to be in danger, you really have a moral obligation to warn them don't you?  Do something to prevent them being harmed?

[Razgovory]

Actually I don't have an objection to that. If I knew that you were about to suffer eternal torture I would do what I could to help save you from that horrid fate. I can't fully respect somebody who thinks I'm going to hell and is willing to let it happen.

I have no problem with them offering advice based on their beliefs when asked. I have a problem with them coming to my door and trying to change me from my own views because they think they're better at judging what's best for me than I am.

Why is you think you know what's best for you?