European views on American involvement in the Vietnam war.

[Razgovory]

I'll reply properly later, Garbo, but I don't see how WW2 or WW1 meets the description I've given, I agree with Jacob's too. The only possible comparison I can see is the way Roosevelt behaved with the Free French. But Ike disagreed and FDR was attacked at home, so he shifted.

Well you said: "The usual approach was not to acquire territory or to subjugate states, but to work with local elites, often with shared interests, and to preserve them."

I think to large extent we did that during the wars.

You didn't have much say about the local elites in WWI, as far as I'm aware.

In WWII you did, but you did not enter into the war to preserve client elites. Furthermore, you did not side with the elites against the populace (mostly, at least in Europe, except I suppose in Greece).

Of course we did.  The local elites just happened to be European powers.  We sided with Britain despite the fact it's government wasn't favored by the people of India (or Ireland).  We also preserved the Soviet Union in WWII despite the fact that population and elites didn't seem to get along.  In fact, this can be said about almost everybody in WWI and WWII.  Britain preserved France and Belgium in WWI and there were lots of people in the colonies that didn't like their home country.

[mongers]

There was the Saar offensive, which was enough to indicate to the French that they had no offensive capability.

That wasn't an offensive; that was a drive in the countryside, and a drive back home in time for dinner.

And back in the real world, that's precisely what well off Americans did or aspired to, for another 65 pleasant weekends.

[CountDeMoney]

There was the Saar offensive, which was enough to indicate to the French that they had no offensive capability.

That wasn't an offensive; that was a drive in the countryside, and a drive back home in time for dinner.

And back in the real world, that's precisely what well off Americans did or aspired to, for another 65 pleasant weekends.

And your point? 
I seem to recall President Washington's sage words of avoiding "European entanglements".  Already did it once by then, just to watch you assrape your opponent against Wilson's advice, sowing the seeds for yet another war you people couldn't manage to get out of the way of.

Way to go with that whole Versailles thing, fellas.  Top notch diplomacy, what what.

[Maximus]

Way to go with that whole Versailles thing, fellas.  Top notch diplomacy, what what.

They made up for it at Munich.

[Zanza]

Well we did kill millions of Germans.

No. Unless "we" includes the Soviet Union.

[Ed Anger]

Once again, Europeans. 


They have got be be the neediest useless fucks in the world. Can't even take out mummar without big daddy's help.

God, I'd love an isolationist America.

[dps]

Well we did kill millions of Germans.

No. Unless "we" includes the Soviet Union.

Lend-lease lets us take credit for a lot of casualties inflicted by the Soviets.  :p:

[Zanza]

Once again, Europeans. 


They have got be be the neediest useless fucks in the world. Can't even take out mummar without big daddy's help.

God, I'd love an isolationist America.

North Vietnam would have agreed with you. 

[HVC]

Ed protests too much. Deep down he wants to be the worst kind of European. French

[Jacob]

Once again, Europeans. 

They have got be be the neediest useless fucks in the world. Can't even take out mummar without big daddy's help.

God, I'd love an isolationist America.

You're as sensitive as a teenage girl Ed

[Ed Anger]

Ed protests too much. Deep down he wants to be the worst kind of European. French

At least they'll get their hands dirty. The Brits? They whine about the special relationship. The kraut? Neutered into a pussy race of shit fetishists.

[CountDeMoney]

God, I'd love an isolationist America.

Bah, I prefer the world to be our battered wife.  Wants us out of the house, but can't afford for us to leave.

[Ed Anger]

Once again, Europeans. 

They have got be be the neediest useless fucks in the world. Can't even take out mummar without big daddy's help.

God, I'd love an isolationist America.

You're as sensitive as a teenage girl Ed

Don't get me started on the Danes. I'll break my iPad screen typing furiously.

[Ed Anger]

God, I'd love an isolationist America.

Bah, I prefer the world to be our battered wife.  Wants us out of the house, but can't afford for us to leave.

The keep nagging us during Sportscenter.

[Jacob]

Don't get me started on the Danes. I'll break my iPad screen typing furiously.

So? You're American! You can easily afford another one.