Arkansas GOP state rep "Slavery was good for African-Americans"

[Phillip V]

Are there any porn available historically depicting white male master and black female slave?

[Eddie Teach]

Give Katmai $20000 for production costs and there can be. 

[Lettow77]

 I was pretty sure I remember seeing something to that effect, but then it turned out to have been so severely whitewashed as to be the relationship between an aristocratic southern belle and her white, female maid. As expected of Japan 
http://myanimelist.net/anime/2136/Front_Innocent

[Jaron]

WHO DEY THAT THINK THEY CAN ENSLAVE DEM AFRICANS?

[garbon]

Do you really deny that it is a far better deal to end up born in America than Africa? The descendants of slaves suffered none of the ill effects, but certainly have reaped benefits. That a life as a slave in the South would be better than as an African tribesman isn't a stretch either- it's certainly the choice i'd pick.

As for integration lowering the quality of Southern schools, this also appears to be true. Certainly blacks were disruptive and lowered the educational quality of every school i've ever been in.

And it is also true that the black community undervalues educational attainment, and is an insular group of dependency and non-contribution. (Albeit it is too simple to blame them for this- the country did much to -make- them an insular group.)

These look like a bunch of inconvenient truths assailed by people with too distant a perspective to me.

The only possible response to this is...

Fuck you, Lettow, you racist piece of shit.

[katmai]

Give Katmai $20000 for production costs and there can be. 

$20k?


Not gonna be very good for that little scratch.

[chipwich]

  Several African kingdoms also had the bad habit of ritually sacrificing slaves. 

Whom? Where? Other than Carthage.

[Viking]

  Several African kingdoms also had the bad habit of ritually sacrificing slaves. 

Whom? Where? Other than Carthage.

I thought they nominally sacrificed family children (and adopted slave children for the purpose of sacrifice).

[CountDeMoney]

Do you really deny that it is a far better deal to end up born in America than Africa? The descendants of slaves suffered none of the ill effects, but certainly have reaped benefits. That a life as a slave in the South would be better than as an African tribesman isn't a stretch either- it's certainly the choice i'd pick.

As for integration lowering the quality of Southern schools, this also appears to be true. Certainly blacks were disruptive and lowered the educational quality of every school i've ever been in.

And it is also true that the black community undervalues educational attainment, and is an insular group of dependency and non-contribution. (Albeit it is too simple to blame them for this- the country did much to -make- them an insular group.)

These look like a bunch of inconvenient truths assailed by people with too distant a perspective to me.

The only possible response to this is...

Fuck you, Lettow, you racist piece of shit.

That's what's so funny about Lettuce;  he's an unrepentant Southern racist, but when it comes to his own status, he's more than happy to travel to a country as xenophobic and racist as Japan to become a willing submissive to a culture that has an even worse opinion of him than any Southerner could of his own amply pigmented countrymen.

The only conclusion I can draw is that he's one of those self-loathing latent gay racists that outwardly hates the black man with a passion, yet secretly yearn for multiple violent reamings of massive mandingo cock.

[Martim Silva]

The way I recall it was taught to me in school was
- go with trinkets to Africa and trade for slaves
- take slaves to America
- ship Colonial produce to Europe
=> Profit!

The whole issue is very complicated.

In the first days when we Portugese arrived in Subsaharan Africa (Angola and the Sahel especially) in the XVth century, the first thing we had to do was to save the local tribes from an attack by cannibals from the interior. And that was what defeat meant in Africa - losers got eaten.

(The cannibals we defeated, in fact, were mobile and quick, and after having been turned away at Angola they're recorded in attacks on Mombassa, on the other side of the continent, by next year - they achieved their mobility by tying part of the corpses of their victims to their backs, and just 'grabbing a bite' to eat whenever they wanted to on the move, thus obviating the need to stop for resupply for longer periods of time than usual)

Then we developed a process of giving white Kings to the African tribes, so that they would control the area in a (very nominal) alliegiance to our own King [these white Kings were achieved by letting adventurers/criminals loose on the tribes' territories. Over a short time, they would rule them].

We kept the Kings white by providing them with white wives (that didn't prevent them from having a ton of mixed offspring, but the white kids would inherit the right to rule).

The downside to this, of course, is that these 'Kings' knew full well the value of the slaves they took, so they demanded decent payments in goods, rather than trinkets.

That said, Angola did became a major source of slaves for the Americas; so profitable, in fact, that by the XVIIIth century Britain had forced us to hand to them the slave-shipping monopoly.
(Africans were preferred to work in the plantations because they were very resistant - we tried enslaving the amerindians, buy they died after just a couple of years, so importing Africans, which endured hard work in a different continent for lots of years, was preferred).

Needless to say, their strength also made them good choices for combat troops in the expeditions to the interior, so many slaves got their freedom this way. Since most of our slaves were paid (very little), the few that saved and scrimped over their whole lives were also able to buy their freedom back.

Alternatively, they escaped and formed their own self-governing communities, the most famous one in Brasil being the 'Quilombo dos Palmares'.

In the Sahel, the slaves we got from our feitorias there also had to be paid in goods, but they certainly had a better fate as slaves than otherwise (the region was in the process of being overrun by tribes coming from the Sudan, and they ate all those they captured and which they could not put to work as slaves for whatever reason - indeed, the current inhabitants of the Sahel are the descendants of those tribes; the original inhabitants of the area now live in the Caribbean or in the Southern US states).

Since all the slaves we got had already been made slaves by local wars, they were certainly no worse off than if the slave trade to the Americas/partially to Europe hadn't existed.

EDIT: in any way, all this contrasts starkly with the Muslim slave trade in North Africa, most of which consisted of Europeans actually captured by the Barbary pirates along the European coastline, from Cornwall to Sicily - for some reason the expression 'The coast is clear' lives until today.

(our version of the expression is even more telling. It goes: 'No Moors at the coast')

[CountDeMoney]

That was a lot of typing just to prove you've finished in second behind Lettuce in the Asshole Race, eggplant.

[Razgovory]

  Several African kingdoms also had the bad habit of ritually sacrificing slaves. 

Whom? Where? Other than Carthage.

Dahomey and Ashanti.  There was also some really fucked up shit down in Angola and Congo.  I don't know how to classify what the Imbangalas did, though human sacrifice is probably fairly close.

[Razgovory]

That was a lot of typing just to prove you've finished in second behind Lettuce in the Asshole Race, eggplant.

It's also deceptive.  The Portuguese allied with some of the most notorious cannibals of region.

[Neil]

That was a lot of typing just to prove you've finished in second behind Lettuce in the Asshole Race, eggplant.

Hey now, don't forget yourself.  How much of your life did you spend as a slavecatcher?

[CountDeMoney]

That was a lot of typing just to prove you've finished in second behind Lettuce in the Asshole Race, eggplant.

Hey now, don't forget yourself.  How much of your life did you spend as a slavecatcher?

It was always more of a "catch and release" thing.  Like bass fishing.