Renewable energy - Thoughts?

[DGuller]

In Jersey City, we have Hudson Bergen Light Rail.  By all accounts it's been a great success at spurring economic growth.  However, there was some grumbling inside my yuppie enclave that the light rail made it too easy for the Jersey City part of Jersey City to get to the fancy parts. 

[derspiess]

In Jersey City, we have Hudson Bergen Light Rail.  By all accounts it's been a great success at spurring economic growth.  However, there was some grumbling inside my yuppie enclave that the light rail made it too easy for the Jersey City part of Jersey City to get to the fancy parts. 

About 8 years ago there was a billion dollar light rail proposal in Cincinnati that got voted down.  It would have sunk us more than the subway we tried to build in the 1920s.  I voted for it because it would have gone right by the apartment I lived in at the time

[The Minsky Moment]

Cincinnati is getting streetcars.  Apparently that will trigger a surge in tourism

Cities seem to have short memories.  Just a few decades ago everybody was removing their street cars.  They may want to try to remember why.

Antitrust conspiracy?

[DGuller]

In Jersey City, we have Hudson Bergen Light Rail.  By all accounts it's been a great success at spurring economic growth.  However, there was some grumbling inside my yuppie enclave that the light rail made it too easy for the Jersey City part of Jersey City to get to the fancy parts. 

About 8 years ago there was a billion dollar light rail proposal in Cincinnati that got voted down.  It would have sunk us more than the subway we tried to build in the 1920s.  I voted for it because it would have gone right by the apartment I lived in at the time

Light rails by themselves aren't a cure-all.  You need a city planned for pedestrians to take advantage of them.

[CountDeMoney]

Funny sidenote is that the NAACP and a local right-leaning libertarian group joined together in opposition to the project.

How did the left-leaning libertarian group stand on the issue?

[Valmy]

How did the left-leaning libertarian group stand on the issue?

Crunch is for it.

[Eddie Teach]

Funny sidenote is that the NAACP and a local right-leaning libertarian group joined together in opposition to the project.

How did the left-leaning libertarian group stand on the issue?

The ACLU?

[The Brain]

Wind is retarded and fugly. Hydro is reasonable, but still makes large areas completely uninhabitable and brings the risk of major disasters (that unlike say nuclear disasters kill tens of thousands of people). Fossil is dangerous and stupid, bio just plain stupid. Nuclear uses plentiful fuel that we don't need for much else, and is safer than the alternatives (deaths/kWh) while taking care of its own waste.

[merithyn]

Wind is retarded and fugly. Hydro is reasonable, but still makes large areas completely uninhabitable and brings the risk of major disasters (that unlike say nuclear disasters kill tens of thousands of people). Fossil is dangerous and stupid, bio just plain stupid. Nuclear uses plentiful fuel that we don't need for much else, and is safer than the alternatives (deaths/kWh) while taking care of its own waste.

Took you long enough to come in on the side of nuclear energy.

[DGuller]

It's nucular, Brain.  Nucular.

[The Brain]

Wind is retarded and fugly. Hydro is reasonable, but still makes large areas completely uninhabitable and brings the risk of major disasters (that unlike say nuclear disasters kill tens of thousands of people). Fossil is dangerous and stupid, bio just plain stupid. Nuclear uses plentiful fuel that we don't need for much else, and is safer than the alternatives (deaths/kWh) while taking care of its own waste.

Took you long enough to come in on the side of nuclear energy.

I was busy working in the nuclear sector.

[derspiess]

Funny sidenote is that the NAACP and a local right-leaning libertarian group joined together in opposition to the project.

How did the left-leaning libertarian group stand on the issue?

Dunno. 

edit: IIRC, far lefties were opposed.  The bulk of the support was from the moderate left and business sectors.  And probably a few old people who still remembered the old streetcars.

[Valmy]

The ACLU?

As far as lefties go they are alright.  But libertarians they are not.

[CountDeMoney]

Funny sidenote is that the NAACP and a local right-leaning libertarian group joined together in opposition to the project.

How did the left-leaning libertarian group stand on the issue?

Dunno. 

edit: IIRC, far lefties were opposed.  The bulk of the support was from the moderate left and business sectors.  And probably a few old people who still remembered the old streetcars.

Having streetcars would make making left turns a real bitch in traffic.

[Phillip V]

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