Reuters: US ambassador to Libya dead

[Viking]

Mohammed is not even a diety he is just a dude.  Theologically speaking it should not even be blasphemy to insult him.

I have held the view for quite a while now that it is Idolatry to be offended by any depiction of Mohammed; since in a sense the worshiper has built an idol in his own mind.

[CountDeMoney]

If I were the ambassador I'd be more worried about the marine with two tours in iraq and ptsd than any locals.

The USMC Embassy Security Group is one of the most difficult units to get into, and has a rather strict volunteer program.  Not just every Marine gets in;  there's a substantial admission and training process involved.  I doubt many, if any, Marines with combat experience get in without the strictest vetting.

[derspiess]

  OK, derBolton.

Back atcha, CountDeMarshallDavis 

[Viking]

If I were the ambassador I'd be more worried about the marine with two tours in iraq and ptsd than any locals.

The USMC Embassy Security Group is one of the most difficult units to get into, and has a rather strict volunteer program.  Not just every Marine gets in;  there's a substantial admission and training process involved.  I doubt many, if any, Marines with combat experience get in without the strictest vetting.

Well, at least they didn't let Siegy in...

[crazy canuck]

We're not talking about advertising products using false claims, or other legitimate legal limitations on speech.

Glad to see you at least acknowledge there are legal limitations on speech.  I think we are making progress with you.

Once you realize he's trolling, it's easier to ignore stuff like that.

libertariantards of the world unite!

[CountDeMoney]

Well, at least they didn't let Siegy in...

Only the Army would take Siegy.  That tells you all you need to know.

[Habbaku]

We're not talking about advertising products using false claims, or other legitimate legal limitations on speech.

Glad to see you at least acknowledge there are legal limitations on speech.  I think we are making progress with you.

Once you realize he's trolling, it's easier to ignore stuff like that.

libertariantards of the world unite!

Thanks for proving my point.

[crazy canuck]

Thanks for proving my point.

Only half trolling 

[Viking]

Now that Morsi has demanded that the makers of the Innocence of Muslims be put on trial, I point to almost the exact same situation in reverse. A Horseman without a Horse

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2409591.stm

Thursday, 7 November, 2002, 12:07 GMT
Egypt airs 'anti-Semitic' series

Egyptian broadcasters have aired the first episode in a controversial television series - in spite of US and Israeli requests that it be banned as anti-Semitic.
Two Egyptian television stations began showing the 41-part Horseman Without A Horse across the Arab world on Wednesday night.

The series is billed as a chronicle of the Arab struggle against colonial rule and against the establishment of the state of Israel.

But it includes a sub-plot involving a forged document - the Protocols of the Elders of Zion - describing an alleged Jewish plot for world domination, which was used by the Nazis as a pretext for the Holocaust.

"At a time when the Egyptian government is working to promote peace in the region, a program that promotes hatred would be extremely unfortunate and counterproductive," State Department spokeswoman Anne Marks said.

Forty-six members of the US Congress sent a letter on Monday to Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak expressing concern about the program.

Journalist's tale

The show stars Mohammed Sobhi in the role of journalist Hafez Neguib.

The first episode finds him wandering through the desert, dishevelled and exhausted, in the aftermath of Israel's creation in 1948 on what was once Palestine.

"The armies of the free have been defeated by treachery," he said in a sombre voice over.

"Beloved Palestine is lost, grabbed by Zion's sons through organised plundering."

Sobhi's character then shows what had happened to his father in Egypt in 1855 when he was abducted by a Turkish nobleman desperate for a son.

'Not offensive'

Egyptian officials denied that the series contained anything against Jewish people in general.

The State Department became involved after the US-based Jewish pressure group, the Anti-Defamation League, wrote to it, describing the series as the "latest manifestation of an ongoing pattern of anti-Semitic incitement in the Egyptian media".

A BBC correspondent in Cairo, Heba Saleh, said the Egyptian press had predictably hit back, portraying the US complaint as an insulting attempt to dictate to a sovereign nation what it can run on television.

The row is also being presented as yet another example of American submission to Israel and the Jewish lobby.

I just wonder how Bush and Sharon administration hacks can justify calling on the Egyptians to ban Horseman and not do the converse themselves? Or will Morsi suddenly find a backbone and prosecute the makers of horseman (or have they already been purged, I don't know).

[MadImmortalMan]

So who is going to organize a riot at the Egyptian embassy?   

[Razgovory]

What's a separate civil rights issue? I asked a question why the US government feels a need to issue a formal statement with respect to an action of a private US citizen, not affiliated in any manner with the US government, that offends a certain group, where it does not seem to have the same policy with respect to similar actions offensive to other groups.

Tell you what:  when a bunch of drag queens start scaling the walls at Magazine Street and setting chiffon cocktail dresses on fire over something on youtube, then the US government will issue a statement.

The funny thing is, when it's gays on the chopping block the US government can't say enough damning people.  People in the US government issue statements denouncing all sorts of intolerance all the time.  This is simply a type of intolerance that Marty approves of.

Here's an example of the US State Department denouncing anti-gay laws in Russia.  http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2012/02/09/state-dept-denounces-russian-antigay-bill

[derspiess]

So who is going to organize a riot at the Egyptian embassy?   

Large groups of angry young Jews-- going back in time to 2002

[mongers]

Viking, you sure choose an odd battleground on which to wage your war against religion; Languish of all places, it ain't exactly god botherers central is it ?   


Maybe you should get out and take the fight to some flesh and blood muslims. 

[derspiess]

What's a separate civil rights issue? I asked a question why the US government feels a need to issue a formal statement with respect to an action of a private US citizen, not affiliated in any manner with the US government, that offends a certain group, where it does not seem to have the same policy with respect to similar actions offensive to other groups.

Tell you what:  when a bunch of drag queens start scaling the walls at Magazine Street and setting chiffon cocktail dresses on fire over something on youtube, then the US government will issue a statement.

The funny thing is, when it's gays on the chopping block the US government can't say enough damning people.  People in the US government issue statements denouncing all sorts of intolerance all the time.  This is simply a type of intolerance that Marty approves of.

Here's an example of the US State Department denouncing anti-gay laws in Russia.  http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2012/02/09/state-dept-denounces-russian-antigay-bill

That's not really a relevant example.  Unless Russia happened to qualify as a private US citizen.

[derspiess]

Viking you sure choose an odd battleground to wage you war against religion, Languish of all places, it ain't exactly god botherers central is it.   

I am a God Warrior