Quebec Election Thread

[derspiess]

Reading up on Quebec politics a year or so ago (funny where surfing Wikipedia will take you), ADQ seemed to be a decent party.  Looks like they merged with CAQ though.

[Barrister]

Reading up on Quebec politics a year or so ago (funny where surfing Wikipedia will take you), ADQ seemed to be a decent party.  Looks like they merged with CAQ though.

ADQ imploded a while ago.  CAQ sort-of, kind-of tries to cover the same ground.

[Drakken]

ADQ imploded a while ago.  CAQ sort-of, kind-of tries to cover the same ground.

ADQ formally merged with CAQ last year, and some of its program (smaller government, war on red tape, heavy structures, and spending wastes inside both civil service and state companies) has been coopted in the CAQ's party line.

I like how Charest has consistently hammered, for days on end, that Legault was a crypto-separatist, that would make a referendum if he was elected, when Legault formally stated before the first debate that now he would vote No in a future referendum. It was priceless in its desperation. It's one of the ugliest and most slanderous campaigns I've ever witnessed, on all sides. Charest's election platform can be resumed to "vote for me, because if you vote for any of the other it's gonna be a referendum or utter chaos".

[viper37]

ADQ formally merged with CAQ last year, and some of its program (smaller government, war on red tape and spending waste inside the public service) has been coopted in the CAQ's party line.

The CAQ aims for "efficiency" in State, wich is akin to the direction of the Socialist Party in France took under Ségolène Royal, where they talked about the "efficient left".  When Pauline Marois tried this in the PQ, she was branded a dangerous right winger and following a near implosion a few years later has abandonned all talks of efficiency to rally all the left.  In face, she recently suggested that non left-wing seperatists vote for the CAQ or the Liberals.

The ADQ aimed at reducing the size of the State, carefully audit every governmental program, see what's working, what's not working.  The ADQ seeked to give citizens the choice between private health clinics and governmental clinics, the same thing that the "commie euro bastards" ( ) seems to have, strangely.  The basis of the ADQ electoral platform was to give the citizens a choice of how they spend their money, like abolishing the wasteful 7$/day kindergarden that costs more to parents than the previous system du to lack of tax credits.  ADQ also proposed to sell 7% of Hydro-Quebec (it would be counter productive to sell of it, we would need to pay Federal corporate tax on the profits)

The CAQ simply wants to leave things as they are but try to do it with less people as they retire.  This has been tried before, both the PQ and the PLQ promised to do it and failed.  While Legault talks about courage, he has been the one to falter in the past, when publicly challenged.  I fear to see how he'll react when a bunch of FTQ thugs threaten to break his legs.

Still, it's the best hope for change we have until the right can get its head out of its ass, clean its act, and merge the various fringe political parties in a cohesive force united under decent leadership.  Frankly though, with the bad exemple set by the Federal Conservatives, I don't think such a party would have any chance at all in Quebec.

[Valmy]

What did the Federal Conservatives do that was such a bad example?

[Grallon]

The CAQ is the new vehicle behind which Power Corporation and the federalist elite hide.  For instance some of their goals include: privatize Hydro Quebec and downsize (read undermine) even more the State.  All items which should be enough to discourage any nationalist to vote for them.  Not Viper apparently...

This new vehicle replaces the Liberals whose brand is soiled with too many rumors of scandals to salvage.  In fact, up until the beginning of summer, La Presse, the most federalist media in Quebec (and property of a subsidiary of PowerCorp), played the 'law and order' card, kept downplaying those persistent rumors of corruption and insisted Charest was the best man for Qc.  That is until the first polls showed massive disaffection against the current government.  After that the editorial board of the newspaper made a 180 degree turn and started backing the CAQ and presenting Legault as the new best thing.   One also as to know that the co-founder and financial backer of this 'new party' is Charles Sirois - current chairman of CIBC and yet another hardcore federalist...  These people are as transparent as they are morally bankrupt.

And yes Matlhus, the anglo press is full of the usual Quebec bashing.  But then again Qc bashing is Canada's 2nd national sport so nothing new there yes?  Obviously I have voted (by anticipation) for the PQ since we cannot afford another mandate under any of the federalist parasites.




G.

[Malthus]

And yes Matlhus, the anglo press is full of the usual Quebec bashing.  But then again Qc bashing is Canada's 2nd national sport so nothing new there yes?  Obviously I have voted (by anticipation) for the PQ since we cannot afford another mandate under any of the federalist parasites.




G.

Heh when I read about the PQ's "secularism charter" I admit, I thought of you - that perhaps you were doing a little consulting work for them? 

But seriously - surely you can see how that looks. You don't have to be an angry anglo federalist stooge to realize that this was a bad idea. 

[Valmy]

Angry Anglo Federalist Stooges >>>>>>>>>> delusional Commie Quebec Lettowists

I love all the 'when we become independent we will become magically rich!!111' lies.  Independence will do jack and shit for the average person.  Actually it will just make their lives harder.  What a brilliant public policy.

[Grey Fox]

Who saying we'll be rich magically?

The gist of the separatis economic rethoric is "We'll stop giving the federal government money to do things we disapprove of and use it to do things we approve"

We're all still going to get taxed at ~45%.

[Valmy]

Who saying we'll be rich magically?

Um the party that is going to win.  PQ.  You are alll going to be rich like Norway with all your oil and shit.

The gist of the separatis economic rethoric is "We'll stop giving the federal government money to do things we disapprove of and use it to do things we approve"

Yeah all that money the Feds drain from Quebec...pity it is in fact the other way around.

We're all still going to get taxed at ~45%.

And you will have billions less dollars every year!  Hurrah!

Seriously.  Brilliant.

[derspiess]

Grallon solidified my support for CAQ.  They now have my official endorsement.

[Ed Anger]

We're all still going to get taxed at ~45%.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Who saying we'll be rich magically?

The gist of the separatis economic rethoric is "We'll stop giving the federal government money to do things we disapprove of and use it to do things we approve"

We're all still going to get taxed at ~45%.

I wish we were taxed at 45%

[Valmy]

I wish we were taxed at 45%

[viper37]

What did the Federal Conservatives do that was such a bad example?

they didn't reduce expenses and concentrated on their social agenda rather than the economic one.