Voter ID controversy

[Grey Fox]

I know it's fun to disagree with meri just for the lulz but I can't believe that you guys can't see the cynism in that.

[derspiess]

I know it's fun to disagree with meri just for the lulz but I can't believe that you guys can't see the cynism in that.

Just trying to help her cope with reality.

[crazy canuck]

GF, I think the answer is no.  They dont see it.

[mongers]

I know it's fun to disagree with meri just for the lulz but I can't believe that you guys can't see the cynism in that.

Just trying to help her cope with reality.

The one where Republicans can now only win via ballot rigging  ?

[derspiess]

I know it's fun to disagree with meri just for the lulz but I can't believe that you guys can't see the cynism in that.

Just trying to help her cope with reality.

The one where Republicans can now only win via ballot rigging  ?

Save it for your letter to Ohio voters

[derspiess]

For some balance:

http://www.democrats.org/about/our_leaders

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIR
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz
As the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz works every day to advance President Obama's agenda and re-election campaign and to elect Democratic candidates across the country. First elected to Congress in 2004, Rep. Wasserman Schultz has been a rising presence in the House and a tireless advocate for Democratic values. Prior to becoming chair, Rep. Wasserman Schultz was DNC vice chair.

Horror, outrage, etc.

[Valmy]

GF, I think the answer is no.  They dont see it.

Of course I see it.  But it is the nature of the beast.

[merithyn]

For some balance:

http://www.democrats.org/about/our_leaders

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIR
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz
As the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz works every day to advance President Obama's agenda and re-election campaign and to elect Democratic candidates across the country. First elected to Congress in 2004, Rep. Wasserman Schultz has been a rising presence in the House and a tireless advocate for Democratic values. Prior to becoming chair, Rep. Wasserman Schultz was DNC vice chair.

Horror, outrage, etc.

I saw that as well. I'm also pretty sure that I said that I dislike both parties' emphasis on this. The difference is that the Democrats aren't changing laws to give their party a better chance at winning. And at least Wasserman Schultz is pretending by throwing Obama's agenda in there. Not that it's a hell of a lot better, but it doesn't feel quite so... stark.

[Valmy]

The difference is that the Democrats aren't changing laws to give their party a better chance at winning.

Like hell they are not.  But usually the Republicans and Democrats are crafting laws to make it harder for any third party to challenge them.  Only rarely do they come into conflict like this on election laws as their interests usually intersect.

[derspiess]

I saw that as well. I'm also pretty sure that I said that I dislike both parties' emphasis on this. The difference is that the Democrats aren't changing laws to give their party a better chance at winning.

No.  To flip it around, Democrats seem willing to tolerate (if not encourage) a certain amount of voter fraud to give their party a better chance at winning.

And at least Wasserman Schultz is pretending by throwing Obama's agenda in there. Not that it's a hell of a lot better, but it doesn't feel quite so... stark.

Pretty sure that's only because her party has the White House.  If McCain had won in '08 I'm sure Priebus would mention McCain's agenda.

[crazy canuck]

The difference is that the Democrats aren't changing laws to give their party a better chance at winning.

Like hell they are not.  But usually the Republicans and Democrats are crafting laws to make it harder for any third party to challenge them.  Only rarely do they come into conflict like this on election laws as their interests usually intersect.

I think the point she is making is the Republicans are so desparate they are now departing from those basic norms that have governed your system for so long.

[DGuller]

No.  To flip it around, Democrats seem willing to tolerate (if not encourage) a certain amount of voter fraud to give their party a better chance at winning.

That's a pretty serious accusation, and unlike the accusation of disenfranchisement against Republicans, totally made up.

[crazy canuck]

No.  To flip it around, Democrats seem willing to tolerate (if not encourage) a certain amount of voter fraud to give their party a better chance at winning.

That's a pretty serious accusation, and unlike the accusation of disenfranchisement against Republicans, totally made up.

He is just repeating the central fallacy of the Republican argument - that there is a problem which needs to be addressed.

[alfred russel]

I think the point she is making is the Republicans are so desparate they are now departing from those basic norms that have governed your system for so long.

Southern conservatives figuring out ways to keep black people from voting is one of those traditions that has an uninterrupted link to the beginning of our republic.

[crazy canuck]

I think the point she is making is the Republicans are so desparate they are now departing from those basic norms that have governed your system for so long.

Southern conservatives figuring out ways to keep black people from voting is one of those traditions that has an uninterrupted link to the beginning of our republic.

Fair point