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Europa Universalis IV announced

Started by Octavian, August 10, 2012, 10:05:06 AM

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DGuller

I always read it as "Male Nosdril"  :blush:.

Ancient Demon

I'm not that interested in the DLC, but the free features in 1.16 like corruption and states/territories are pretty good.
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garbon

How so on the latter? That one sounded just generically awful.
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Josephus

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garbon

Finally got to playing EUIV again after deciding that I wasn't inclined to purchase Cossacks or Mare Nostrum. Actually having quite a fun run as Florence in about 1504 or so now. Still waiting to form Tuscany given that I'm only at admin 9 - which might be fairly moot point given that I'm getting closer and closer to forming Italy.

Does seem like it has been too easy to maintain the Franco-Austrian-Florentine Alliance which has been smashing on Castile and Aragon (latter just has Sicily, top half of Sardinia and Valencia area to its name - all else is part of France  :ph34r:) though that might be because Burgundy is still limping along.

I may need to start devoting attention to smashing the Ottomans as they are quickly blobbing with no decent powers standing in their way (Ottomans have invaded Rome a few times as Papacy is allied with Genoa and Serbia).
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garbon

Quote from: Josephus on April 11, 2016, 12:55:56 PM
How do States/Territories work?

Basically it does away with old overseas penalty setup. You have a limited amount of states (which are the size of an area - which has a mapmode to see what are areas) that you can setup where you keep things as usual. Any land that is not a state is sort of counted as overseas and can't have autonomy less than 75%.

Also, I believe that only cultures in provinces that are part of states get counted in things like determination of accepted cultures.
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Queequeg

Is there a cheap way for me to catch up on expansions?
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Barrister

Quote from: Queequeg on May 10, 2016, 03:10:45 PM
Is there a cheap way for me to catch up on expansions?

Wait for a sale.
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Sophie Scholl

I forgot how broken the late game is.  Having months long battles that allow every single enemy allied army to join in is just stupid. :bleeding:  All I really want is a damn Wars of the Roses game.  And no, the mockery Paradox released as a fighting sim does not count.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 20, 2016, 02:43:31 PM
I forgot how broken the late game is.  Having months long battles that allow every single enemy allied army to join in is just stupid. :bleeding:

Not to mention how every other province has a level 8 castle. :frusty:
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Josephus

Yeah, I still can't figure out which allies will join which wars. Sort of a free for all.
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garbon

And this little piggie cried all the way home.
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garbon

Re-haul of how tech is handled seems interesting. I'm not sure how I feel about how an Indian nation, in their example screenie, appears to have easily kept up in tech with Europe but then that's still better that what we have today with such fast westernization.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-26th-of-may-2016.937696/

QuoteOne of the parts of the game that has not changed much since eu1 is the concept of technology groups and technological development around the world. We've added concepts like westernising, and tweaked that one, but in the end Europe has a huge advantage from day 1, and lots of fun gameplay options are limited the further away you are.

So this is what will happen in 1.18, when it is released this autumn..

A nation's technology group no longer affect technology research.

There is now a concept called Institutions, which will affect your technology research. There are seven different institutions that appear over the game, and if you don't get them to spread into your country and then get embraced by your government, your technology costs will slowly rise.



Each institution will appear in a province fullfilling certain factors, and then slowly spread around the world. The nation owning that province will gain prestige and monarch power.

Every year the penalty for not having embraced an institution will grow by 1%, so there is a gradual process.

When an institution has spread to at least 10% of your development, you can embrace it in your government, removing the penalty permanently, and also giving a bonus to your nation. The cost to embrace depends on the amount of development in your nation without the institution.

All institutions spread over borders (including 1 seazone away), if relations are positive, and the spread is based on development in the province getting it. There are also lots of other factors related to the spread.

So which are the the seven institutions then?

Feudalism
This is present from the start in almost all the world, except among the hordes, new world and sub-saharan africa. It will slowly spread into neighboring lands, but it is not quick.
Bonus: Gives 1 extra free leader.
Penalty: 50%


Renaissance
This appears in Italy after 1450, in either a capital or a 20+ development province. It will spread quickly through high development in europe, particularly through italy, but can only spread into provinces that have feudalism already.
Bonus: 5% Cheaper Development & 5% Cheaper Buildings
Penalty: 20%


Colonialism
Appears after 1500 in a port province in Europe, who's owner has the Quest of the New World idea, and have discovered the new world. And will spread very quickly through any port in countries with colonies.
Bonus: +10% Provincial Trade Power
Penalty: 20%


Printing Press
This arrives after 1550, most likely in germany, but can happen in any protestant or reformed province. It will spread quickly in Protestant and Reformed territory, but also into capitals with dip tech 15.
Bonus: 5& Cheaper Stability
Penalty: 20%


Global Trade
This arrives after 1600, in a center of trade in the highest value trade node, and will spread quicker into provinces with trade buildings.
Bonus: +1 Merchant
Penalty: 20%

Manufactories
This arrives after 1650 in a province with 30 development and a manufactory, and will spread quicker into provinces with manufactories.
Bonus: +10% Goods Produced
Penalty: 20%

Enlightenment
Arrives after 1700 in a province that either is a seat of a parliament, or is a province in europe owned by a monarch with at least 5 in all stats. Universities & Parliament Seats spread this institution.
Bonus: 25% Cheaper Culture Conversion
Penalty: 30%



What does this mean?


The progress of Europe is not guaranteed, but most importantly, a nation in Asia or Africa is no longer crippled from day 1, and forced to avoid spending power on ideas and development.

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We're constantly tweaking the spread factors, but here are some screenshots from mid 18th century in a hands-off game from this morning.

This is the institutions mapmode, where green are provinces that have all the enabled institutions, and yellow are don't have them all.



And here is the technology mapmode, of the same game.



Some other aspects that has changed include the following
- New World Native Reforming will give you all institutions that the one you reform from has.
- Trade Companies are available to all technology groups.
- Lots and lots of triggers on western techgroups have been changed to check for specific relevant institutions.
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Razgovory

You'd think they would know where Poland was.
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Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on May 26, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
You'd think they would know where Poland was.

Obviously the Vasa dynasty was able to hold on to Sweden.
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