Europa Universalis IV announced

[crazy canuck]

So far there's little in this add on that would entice me to buy it. The religious addition and the canals are turning me off of it. It's like they're running out of ideas already.

yeah....I think i'm done with this game. It peaked with EU3. Time for something new

I am done with it but for different reasons.  I think EU4 started out well and had a lot of promise if they could only figure out a good system for dynamic trading routes.

Instead they have introduced mechanics the destroy the feel of the game for me.

[Queequeg]

why would calvinism be associated with tolerance for heretics, anyway?

Because one of the three countries where it gained power was religiously tolerant before during and after calvinism. Switzerland and Scotland were not paragons of tolerance.

IDK.  The Commonwealth of England was Dissestablishmentarian, and the House of Hohenzollern was personally Calvinist but ran a Lutheran state without great difficulty.  I can't really think of another example of a major religious division between the faith of a major ruling house and its state. 

[Viking]

why would calvinism be associated with tolerance for heretics, anyway?

Because one of the three countries where it gained power was religiously tolerant before during and after calvinism. Switzerland and Scotland were not paragons of tolerance.

IDK.  The Commonwealth of England was Dissestablishmentarian, and the House of Hohenzollern was personally Calvinist but ran a Lutheran state without great difficulty.  I can't really think of another example of a major religious division between the faith of a major ruling house and its state.

So you're examples are The state that abolished christmas and a state that wasn't calvinist?

[Queequeg]

Cromwell also let the Jews back in. 

[Razgovory]

Cromwell also let the Jews back in.

Ah, so the example of toerlance is letting people live in a country who aren't actually in the country yet, heavy discrimination against people who currently live there.  The great tolerance of the Cromwell is remember slightly differently in Ireland.

[Valmy]

The great tolerance of the Cromwell is remember slightly differently in Ireland.

Well the Irish were rebels, that was not entirely religious persecution.

Anyway the Commonwealth of England was very short lived and never really stabilized.  Hard to say how things might have worked in the longterm.  Rather bizarre to use it as an example of good religious policy.

[Sheilbh]

Cromwell also let the Jews back in.

And tolerated the non-conformists like the Quakers. Also the war was kicked off by Charles I trying to impose religious uniformity on Scotland, which the Commonwealth didn't do. The French ambassador also pointed out that for English Catholics, who weren't connected with the Royal family, life was generally better under Cromwell than Charles I - who tolerated court Catholics but persecuted the rest aggressively.

Technically the Church of England is Reformed. Though admittedly 'catholic and reformed'.

Well the Irish were rebels, that was not entirely religious persecution.

It wasn't persecution. It was 17th century warfare. No different than what happened to towns and cities in Germany at the same time in similar circumstances.

[Valmy]

Also the war was kicked off by Charles I trying to impose religious uniformity on Scotland, which the Commonwealth didn't do.

Well that is because if there was a really bad policy to be implemented Charles I was completely dedicated to it.

[Sheilbh]

Well that is because if there was a really bad policy to be implemented Charles I was completely dedicated to it.

Like being a monarch 

[Valmy]

Man you are on Commonwealth fanboi

Pity they could never get a constitution to work.

[garbon]

I'm more a fan of Cromwell's posthumous execution.

[Razgovory]

The great tolerance of the Cromwell is remember slightly differently in Ireland.

Well the Irish were rebels, that was not entirely religious persecution.

Anyway the Commonwealth of England was very short lived and never really stabilized.  Hard to say how things might have worked in the longterm.  Rather bizarre to use it as an example of good religious policy.

Wasn't Cromwell a rebel?

[Viking]

The great tolerance of the Cromwell is remember slightly differently in Ireland.

Well the Irish were rebels, that was not entirely religious persecution.

Anyway the Commonwealth of England was very short lived and never really stabilized.  Hard to say how things might have worked in the longterm.  Rather bizarre to use it as an example of good religious policy.

Wasn't Cromwell a rebel?

Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

[Valmy]

Wasn't Cromwell a rebel?

Wow that is a strange question.  The King left town and raised an army, Parliament did not rise up in revolt.  Not sure who technically the rebel is there.

[garbon]

Wasn't Cromwell a rebel?

Wow that is a strange question.  The King left town and raised an army, Parliament did not rise up in revolt.  Not sure who technically the rebel is there.

Actually it is pretty clear - those opposing the divinely appointed monarch.