Europa Universalis IV announced

[garbon]

Why can't you just peace the vassal out with everyone when it gets force-vassalized?  Or, just have the vassal join the master's war rather than having the master join the vassal's war?  Seems like two obvious fixes to me.

Maybe but then it should be a big piss off to any alliance members that were gunning for provinces out of your new vassal.

[Solmyr]

I'm not even sure how this became an issue. You can only force-vassalize an enemy if you are the alliance leader, no? So they should be peacing out with your allies as well.

[Viking]

I'm not even sure how this became an issue. You can only force-vassalize an enemy if you are the alliance leader, no? So they should be peacing out with your allies as well.

As war leader you can vassalize a junior member of the war from the other side... and the war will continue.

[Solmyr]

Which is odd, because IIRC this caused the junior member to peace with everyone on your side (since you are, you know, the war leader).

[crazy canuck]

I'm not even sure how this became an issue. You can only force-vassalize an enemy if you are the alliance leader, no? So they should be peacing out with your allies as well.

As war leader you can vassalize a junior member of the war from the other side... and the war will continue.

He is making a point about how they could have messed this up since the mechanic had been working fine prior to the patch.

[Liep]

This is definitely broken. Aragon's shattered army retreated across my Tuscany from Apulia all the way to Barcelona through France, my ally. At the same time France had beaten an Aragonese army in Roussillon that retreated to Sicily, they met around Nice.

[Viking]

I'm not even sure how this became an issue. You can only force-vassalize an enemy if you are the alliance leader, no? So they should be peacing out with your allies as well.

As war leader you can vassalize a junior member of the war from the other side... and the war will continue.

He is making a point about how they could have messed this up since the mechanic had been working fine prior to the patch.

I was pointing out that the new vassal overlord declares war on the new vassals enemies before the new vassal makes peace with the overlord.

[Tamas]

This is definitely broken. Aragon's shattered army retreated across my Tuscany from Apulia all the way to Barcelona through France, my ally. At the same time France had beaten an Aragonese army in Roussillon that retreated to Sicily, they met around Nice.

My understanding is that this is indeed what they intended with the design.

[DGuller]

This is definitely broken. Aragon's shattered army retreated across my Tuscany from Apulia all the way to Barcelona through France, my ally. At the same time France had beaten an Aragonese army in Roussillon that retreated to Sicily, they met around Nice.

My understanding is that this is indeed what they intended with the design.

It can be a good design if your intention is to prevent total wars that lead to total army annihilation, and subsequent clusterfuck that goes along with it.  The winner gets a window of opportunity to get limited gains and peace out on moderate terms, and the loser suffers a setback rather than a disaster.  However, that window has to be large enough, or else you just have much more tedious ping-pongs.

[Tamas]

This is definitely broken. Aragon's shattered army retreated across my Tuscany from Apulia all the way to Barcelona through France, my ally. At the same time France had beaten an Aragonese army in Roussillon that retreated to Sicily, they met around Nice.

My understanding is that this is indeed what they intended with the design.

It can be a good design if your intention is to prevent total wars that lead to total army annihilation, and subsequent clusterfuck that goes along with it.  The winner gets a window of opportunity to get limited gains and peace out on moderate terms, and the loser suffers a setback rather than a disaster.  However, that window has to be large enough, or else you just have much more tedious ping-pongs.

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[Queequeg]

Everyone is becoming Bureaucratic Despotic.  There's maybe 3 substantial monarchies left in Europe. 

[Queequeg]

Which is especially frustrating because my Royal Marriage with France was really important.

[Anatron]

I think Paradox doing something with multiplayer because its not available by me.

[Viking]

I think Paradox doing something with multiplayer because its not available by me.

have you sent a bug report?

[Anatron]

I think Paradox doing something with multiplayer because its not available by me.

have you sent a bug report?

not yet

Do I need to write on the forum?