Europa Universalis IV announced

[sbr]

Yeah, I know in EU3 I didn't start building artillery for at least 100 years or so.

[Anatron]

You don't need it early, for battles. 


Theres a tech that increases artillery fire by a significant amount.  Usually when its worth getting, but they dont do much before that.

Sieges run faster with artillery.
Later when it become stronger I use like 10 000 arty in the main army.

[Liep]

I was wondering why the Papal State would call me to war as I had recently converted to protestantism. I searched for them on the map and it turned out it was a protestant OPM in Hannover. Yeah.

[Alcibiades]

You don't need it early, for battles. 


Theres a tech that increases artillery fire by a significant amount.  Usually when its worth getting, but they dont do much before that.

Sieges run faster with artillery.
Later when it become stronger I use like 10 000 arty in the main army.

Which is why I said you don't need it for battles?   

[Viking]

You don't need it early, for battles. 


Theres a tech that increases artillery fire by a significant amount.  Usually when its worth getting, but they dont do much before that.

Sieges run faster with artillery.
Later when it become stronger I use like 10 000 arty in the main army.

Which is why I said you don't need it for battles?   

If you go over the combat width for a battle you want artillery period. Even a small force with artillery support can hold a mountain pass quite effectively and murderously. Artillery has become highly effective well before combat width in open terrain reaches 30. With stacking limits in most places at that time being about 60, the number of pieces the ideal army has suggests itself. Even one artillery piece in a large battle can open a single breach in the line where more and more units get flanking attack in. Remember, the art doesn't just shoot, it also adds half it's defense pips to the defending unit.

[Anatron]

You don't need it early, for battles. 


Theres a tech that increases artillery fire by a significant amount.  Usually when its worth getting, but they dont do much before that.

Sieges run faster with artillery.
Later when it become stronger I use like 10 000 arty in the main army.

Which is why I said you don't need it for battles?   

According my experience arty can be same useful as cavalry in combat.Without artillery support I suffer higher casulties in combat.
Also when you have more arty you do more damage thats why easier to annihilate armies.If you check the AI armies they also keep at least 10k arty in their main army.

The ratios what I use fr army setup:

In a small army: 10/5/1
A middle size army: 15~20/10/5
Tha main army: 25~40/15~20/10

[Solmyr]

Does arty move slower than infantry, though?

[Anatron]

Does arty move slower than infantry, though?

Off course,thats the disadvantage.

[Alcibiades]

Slower and they do almost no damage early on.  Not worth 3x the price and are pretty useless early on, except for sieging. 

[Tamas]

Slower and they do almost no damage early on.  Not worth 3x the price and are pretty useless early on, except for sieging.

Read what Dguller (or Berkut?) wrote? they can be quite important

[Queequeg]

I think they're pretty crucial fighting early deathstacks.  I just fought an ahistorically epic war against the Ottomans as Russia in about 1510 and did way better than I expected to in part because I kept a huge army with a large artillery contingent behind the lines ready to match any big Ottoman army.  They just tear them to pieces. 

[DGuller]

I think they're pretty crucial fighting early deathstacks.  I just fought an ahistorically epic war against the Ottomans as Russia in about 1510 and did way better than I expected to in part because I kept a huge army with a large artillery contingent behind the lines ready to match any big Ottoman army.  They just tear them to pieces.

I think the priority is to fill out your combat width first, and then fill out the second row.  If you did fill the front row, though, then filling out the second row with arties does help a lot, even tech 7 arty.  If nothing else, your front line troops would outlast some of the enemy front like troops, and then the rest get flanked even if they weren't flanked before.

[DGuller]

I did my first Westernization in my Yemen game.  I read about the new Westernization mechanic, and I thought I was prepared for the massive rebellions to come, but I did not expect what I did get.  Which was nothing remotely bad at all.    Apart from a couple of totally insignificant revolts spawned by events, I was just waiting and watching the admin power counter slowly tick up.

[DGuller]

Another advantage of artillery at any level is that it seems to buy you time when you are outmatched, and need to keep your army after a whooping.  It's very hard to stackwipe someone on first contact, when both sides are at full strength and morale, if they have any artillery, because at the very least it takes one extra phase for the enemy to get to it.  However, if all you have is infantry and cavalry, and you're outflanked, you can easily lose your whole army and suffer devastating casualty ratios.

[dps]

Slower and they do almost no damage early on.  Not worth 3x the price and are pretty useless early on, except for sieging. 

It'll upgrade automatically later, so if you have the money early on, build it in case you don't have the money later on.