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Started by Martinus, July 27, 2012, 10:48:18 AM

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crazy canuck

#30
July 28, 2012, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 27, 2012, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 27, 2012, 07:07:38 PM
You would take a different view if you were the owner or shareholder of said company and the people you hire to run the company engage in nepotism.
And if nepotism becomes so widespread that it starts to hinder social mobility then it's a problem for everyone, private sector or not.

I agree Sheilbh.

Razgovory

#31
July 28, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
Strikes me as odd that people would consider private nepotism different the public nepotism.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

sbr

#32
July 28, 2012, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 28, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
Strikes me as odd that people would consider private nepotism different the public nepotism.

Why is that?  Don't you see a difference between me hiring my brother to help me run my small business and my appointing him to a publically funded political position?

Siege

#33
July 28, 2012, 10:50:39 PM
Raz is a retard.
News at eleven.



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Razgovory

#34
July 28, 2012, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2012, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 28, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
Strikes me as odd that people would consider private nepotism different the public nepotism.

Why is that?  Don't you see a difference between me hiring my brother to help me run my small business and my appointing him to a publically funded political position?

Corruption is corruption.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

sbr

#35
July 28, 2012, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 28, 2012, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2012, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 28, 2012, 10:17:17 PM
Strikes me as odd that people would consider private nepotism different the public nepotism.

Why is that?  Don't you see a difference between me hiring my brother to help me run my small business and my appointing him to a publically funded political position?

Corruption is corruption.

Looks like we have different definitions of corruption.

Razgovory

#36
July 28, 2012, 11:33:03 PM
If something is considered corruption in one organization for one person why should it be different then another in another?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

sbr

#37
July 28, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
Because I don't think it is corruption to hire who I want to help me run my privately owned business.

Syt

#38
July 28, 2012, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
Because I don't think it is corruption to hire who I want to help me run my privately owned business.

What if someone in the lower ranks in your company hires his best buddy?
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Razgovory

#39
July 28, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
Because I don't think it is corruption to hire who I want to help me run my privately owned business.

Yet presumably you would think it corruption for someone to do so in a public capacity?  Is there some sort of purify that expunges any hint of corruption when you go from public to private?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Syt

#40
July 28, 2012, 11:41:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 28, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
Because I don't think it is corruption to hire who I want to help me run my privately owned business.

Yet presumably you would think it corruption for someone to do so in a public capacity?  Is there some sort of purify that expunges any hint of corruption when you go from public to private?

In one case he's using his own money, in another someone else's (the taxpayers').
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

sbr

#41
July 28, 2012, 11:42:11 PM Last Edit: July 28, 2012, 11:44:33 PM by sbr
Who pays them

See syt's answer

Razgovory

#42
July 28, 2012, 11:43:29 PM Last Edit: July 28, 2012, 11:45:02 PM by Razgovory
Okay, then.  Let's back up.  Why is public nepotism bad?  Not why is it bad compared to private, but why is it bad at all?  What makes it wrong?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

#43
July 28, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
Public nepotism is bad because of the diminished service we recieve for our tax dolar.  Potentially.  It is of course possible that the police chief's nephew is a crime fighting machine without equal.

Razgovory

#44
July 28, 2012, 11:48:59 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 28, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
Public nepotism is bad because of the diminished service we recieve for our tax dolar.  Potentially.  It is of course possible that the police chief's nephew is a crime fighting machine without equal.

And I thought you were going to come in and warn Sbr not to answer the question.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017
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