Do you think the West is going to see sort sort of great upheaval...

Started by Martinus, July 21, 2012, 01:47:10 PM

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Martinus

July 21, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
...in your lifetime.

By a great upheaval I mean something along the lines of a world war or some other disastrous event redefining our lives. It seems since 1945 there has not been one in the West - will we also we so lucky?

Viking

#1
July 21, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
No, not really

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

crazy canuck

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July 21, 2012, 02:12:55 PM
You mean there might be something worse than giving internet access to Poland?

Viking

#3
July 21, 2012, 02:17:14 PM
BTW, you may have missed 1989

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Neil

#4
July 21, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 21, 2012, 02:17:14 PM
BTW, you may have missed 1989


That wasn't an upheaval in the West. However the Russian thralls choose to organize themselves, it doesn't really effect our lives over in the West.  Even the fall of the Soviet Union wasn't that big a deal, because nuclear war wasn't a real danger during my lifetime.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Viking

#5
July 21, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
That wasn't an upheaval in the West. However the Russian thralls choose to organize themselves, it doesn't really effect our lives over in the West.  Even the fall of the Soviet Union wasn't that big a deal, because nuclear war wasn't a real danger during my lifetime.

The world looks very different when the 3rd Shock Army is at Magdeburg.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

crazy canuck

#6
July 21, 2012, 02:36:55 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 21, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
That wasn't an upheaval in the West. However the Russian thralls choose to organize themselves, it doesn't really effect our lives over in the West.  Even the fall of the Soviet Union wasn't that big a deal, because nuclear war wasn't a real danger during my lifetime.

The world looks very different when the 3rd Shock Army is at Magdeburg.

Also Neil is ignoring the unspeakably damaging effects of giving Poland internet access.

Zanza

#7
July 21, 2012, 02:40:41 PM
If you define "great upheaval" as the biggest war in human history, then no, I don't think we'll see anything that bad in our lifetimes.

Habbaku

#8
July 21, 2012, 03:05:41 PM
I think it's highly unlikely that there will be one in the West any time soon.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

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Admiral Yi

#9
July 21, 2012, 03:14:00 PM
Massive war, no chance.

Economic disclocation, like a collapse in oil and gas supply--not that unusual, not a great upheaval.

Highest probablity is some sort of superflu.  Still not very likely.

Eddie Teach

#10
July 21, 2012, 03:31:40 PM
Life in the West should keep moving along until the oil runs out in a couple centuries. However, the West will continue losing power and influence over the ROTW.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

CountDeMoney

#11
July 21, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
I sincerely doubt we'll see as massive a geopolitical shift affecting the West as we did with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the global discrediting and rejection of state Communism*, the defining political movement of the 20th century.








*Castroism doesn't count, and you know it.

Neil

#12
July 21, 2012, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 21, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
That wasn't an upheaval in the West. However the Russian thralls choose to organize themselves, it doesn't really effect our lives over in the West.  Even the fall of the Soviet Union wasn't that big a deal, because nuclear war wasn't a real danger during my lifetime.
The world looks very different when the 3rd Shock Army is at Magdeburg.
Not so much on this side of the Atlantic.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Viking

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July 21, 2012, 03:46:12 PM Last Edit: July 21, 2012, 03:48:25 PM by Viking
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2012, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 21, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
That wasn't an upheaval in the West. However the Russian thralls choose to organize themselves, it doesn't really effect our lives over in the West.  Even the fall of the Soviet Union wasn't that big a deal, because nuclear war wasn't a real danger during my lifetime.
The world looks very different when the 3rd Shock Army is at Magdeburg.
Not so much on this side of the Atlantic.

I agree, when Calgary and Winnipeg have more armed Ukrainians than Magdeburg and Erfurt all is right with the world.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Neil

#14
July 21, 2012, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 21, 2012, 02:36:55 PM
Also Neil is ignoring the unspeakably damaging effects of giving Poland internet access.
As horrible as Martinus is, he's not a major upheaval in and of himself.  Instead of being World War II, he's more like a school shooting.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.
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