5 Things to Know About the First Drug to Prevent HIV

[Razgovory]

Good Lord, Libertarians can be so fucking condescending.

[garbon]

Good Lord, Libertarians can be so fucking condescending.

Seedy sounded pretty condescending when he spoke about how he knows best.

[Neil]

That being said, I'm inclined to agree with garbon and you on this subject. I don't think it's the government's right to decide for me how I am tested.

Why not jump on the anti-vaccination bandwagon while you're listening to your body?

[Neil]

Good Lord, Libertarians can be so fucking condescending.

Seedy sounded pretty condescending when he spoke about how he knows best.

Not especially.  CdM was arguing an issue of public policy, and then Berkut came along and made it an argument over religious principles along lines of 'freedom' and 'liberty', which only he and his libertarian priesthood can interpret correctly.

[garbon]

Good Lord, Libertarians can be so fucking condescending.

Seedy sounded pretty condescending when he spoke about how he knows best.

Not especially.  CdM was arguing an issue of public policy, and then Berkut came along and made it an argument over religious principles along lines of 'freedom' and 'liberty', which only he and his libertarian priesthood can interpret correctly.

Yes he was making an issue of public policy with the assumption that he knows better than all of his imagined/hypothetical people. It then turned out that we already have at-home testing and it doesn't seem to be a public policy issue.

[merithyn]

That being said, I'm inclined to agree with garbon and you on this subject. I don't think it's the government's right to decide for me how I am tested.

Why not jump on the anti-vaccination bandwagon while you're listening to your body?

Because some vaccinations have value.

[Barrister]

That being said, I'm inclined to agree with garbon and you on this subject. I don't think it's the government's right to decide for me how I am tested.

Why not jump on the anti-vaccination bandwagon while you're listening to your body?

Because some vaccinations have value.

Only some?

[merithyn]

Only some?

Okay, they all have value in some fashion. But I don't happen to believe that they all have the same value. Some vaccines are necessary; some are just nice to have.

I'm pretty sure I've made it clear in the past that this is my stance on this.

[Razgovory]

Good Lord, Libertarians can be so fucking condescending.

Seedy sounded pretty condescending when he spoke about how he knows best.

Not especially.  CdM was arguing an issue of public policy, and then Berkut came along and made it an argument over religious principles along lines of 'freedom' and 'liberty', which only he and his libertarian priesthood can interpret correctly.

Yes he was making an issue of public policy with the assumption that he knows better than all of his imagined/hypothetical people. It then turned out that we already have at-home testing and it doesn't seem to be a public policy issue.

And Berkut outright tells use that he knows better then most people what liberty means and that he knows better then CdM.

[garbon]

And Berkut outright tells use that he knows better then most people what liberty means and that he knows better then CdM.

Okay, so they were both condescending. Yippee?

[Fate]

To the libertarians in the thread:

Accuotane can cause birth defects if taken during pregnancy. The FDA mandates usage of birth control if women of child bearing age wish to use it. If pregnant, women cannot be prescribed Accuotane. Women are also subjected to mandatory pregnancy tests while using Accuotane.(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPLEDGE for more details).

Are these requirements justifiable or are they also invasions of privacy/liberty?

It's a pretty retarded system. There is zero reason to limit accutane access to people who can't physically get pregnant, be they genetically XY or XX with amenorrhea.

But it's a voluntary system. You don't have to use the drug. Failure to treat acne doesn't result in death. I don't think you can really compare it to HIV medications.

[garbon]

Only some?

Okay, they all have value in some fashion. But I don't happen to believe that they all have the same value. Some vaccines are necessary; some are just nice to have.

I'm pretty sure I've made it clear in the past that this is my stance on this.

Not sure what that distinction means.  After all, certainly not everyone "needs" a chicken pox vaccine as a life or death type issue but some people do.  Not sure that means a chicken pox has less value than a vaccine for something like HIV which occurs less frequently.

[Valmy]

Good Lord, Libertarians can be so fucking condescending.

I guess if Berkut is one I am as well.  It is what we use to mask our rage at the system.

[merithyn]

Not sure what that distinction means.  After all, certainly not everyone "needs" a chicken pox vaccine as a life or death type issue but some people do.  Not sure that means a chicken pox has less value than a vaccine for something like HIV which occurs less frequently.

I'd say the chickenpox vaccine has quite a bit less value than an HIV vaccine. Without the chickenpox vaccine, you get an uncomfortable rash and low-grade fever for two weeks. Without the HIV vaccine, you die.

Seems fairly simple which one is more valuable to society at large.

[garbon]

I'd say the chickenpox vaccine has quite a bit less value than an HIV vaccine. Without the chickenpox vaccine, you get an uncomfortable rash and low-grade fever for two weeks. Without the HIV vaccine, you die.

But that isn't true. There are people who die of smallpox and there are lots of people in the west who have HIV and don't die because of it.