Study finds little evidence supporting medical marijuana for treatment of...

Started by garbon, July 17, 2012, 12:14:16 PM

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derspiess

Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2012, 12:51:57 PM
It would be a bit easier for me to take medical marijuana more seriously if the packaging were less jovial and more mediciney-looking.

That's nice and irrelevant. :)

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Barrister

Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 01:20:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 01:15:52 PM
:bleeding:

Should I trust medical professionals in California or a lawyer in Alberta? :hmm:

What you should trust is a full medical study that tracks the effectiveness of marijuana as a treatment for anxiety and depression.  Until and unless that is done I would think using marijuana to treat psychiatric problems would be extremely dangerous.

I've been googling, and all I can find on the pro side are a bunch of anecdotes and theories.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 12:20:02 PM
:rolleyes:

Don't you roll your eyes at me.  I didn't say "cause", I said "increased rates".

That's because it's not a solution to the problem, it simply masks it.  That's what the brochure that Marilyn Manson gave me said.

Barrister

Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 01:20:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 01:15:52 PM
:bleeding:

Should I trust medical professionals in California or a lawyer in Alberta? :hmm:

What you should trust is a full medical study that tracks the effectiveness of marijuana as a treatment for anxiety and depression.  Until and unless that is done I would think using marijuana to treat psychiatric problems would be extremely dangerous.

I've been googling, and all I can find on the pro side are a bunch of anecdotes and theories.

And I forgot about the OP. :frusty:

Which is, of course, a study which says pot is NOT an effective treatment for those disorders.
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garbon

Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
And I forgot about the OP. :frusty:

Which is, of course, a study which says pot is NOT an effective treatment for those disorders.

Actually its more like a meta-analysis that said the few studies they reviewed didn't show that MJ benefits outweighed risk.
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Malthus

Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 12:18:35 PM
Marijuana as a treatment for depression and anxiety?  :frusty:

Studies have shown increased rates of those disorders amongst marijuana users.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

QuoteHowever, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or reflects an attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence.

:rolleyes:

Don't you roll your eyes at me.  I didn't say "cause", I said "increased rates".

By that logic, those taking anti-depression medication show "increased rates" of depression as well, since more people taking anti-depression medication have depression than those who do not.  :D

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Razgovory

Quote from: grumbler on July 17, 2012, 01:24:33 PM


I don't blame you for feeling that way - his point pretty much destroys yours.

I don't have a dog in the medical marijuana fight.  I want to see MJ legalized so that law enforcement and criminal justice resources can be better deployed against things that matter.

That sounds like a dog in the fight.
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Malthus

The article in the OP seems to be saying that there is no reliable evidence of benefits because performing adequate scientific studies is legally difficult or impossible.

Myself, I always thought the medical pot thing was more intended as a legalization strategy than a serious concern.
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garbon

Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
By that logic, those taking anti-depression medication show "increased rates" of depression as well, since more people taking anti-depression medication have depression than those who do not.  :D

:hug:
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Martinus

Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 12:20:02 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 17, 2012, 12:18:35 PM
Marijuana as a treatment for depression and anxiety?  :frusty:

Studies have shown increased rates of those disorders amongst marijuana users.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

QuoteHowever, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or reflects an attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence.

:rolleyes:

Don't you roll your eyes at me.  I didn't say "cause", I said "increased rates".

By that logic, those taking anti-depression medication show "increased rates" of depression as well, since more people taking anti-depression medication have depression than those who do not.  :D

By that logic, being a prosecutor in Alberta increases your chances of being boring and square.

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mongers

Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
The article in the OP seems to be saying that there is no reliable evidence of benefits because performing adequate scientific studies is legally difficult or impossible.

Myself, I always thought the medical pot thing was more intended as a legalization strategy than a serious concern.

Yes I've seen that.

Also the whole 'Sacred Weed' mantra has gotten real old, I take if more seriously if the people who were advocating it, didn't just jump-cut to any old shit piece of cardboard to make the filter for their joint; perhaps they should look into the printing inks and chemicals used in making the cardboard product ? 

Would the whole spiritual event them be so purifying ? 

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garbon

Quote from: mongers on July 17, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
The article in the OP seems to be saying that there is no reliable evidence of benefits because performing adequate scientific studies is legally difficult or impossible.

Myself, I always thought the medical pot thing was more intended as a legalization strategy than a serious concern.

Yes I've seen that.

Also the whole 'Sacred Weed' mantra has gotten real old, I take if more seriously if the people who were advocating it, didn't just jump-cut to any old shit piece of cardboard to make the filter for their joint; perhaps they should look into the printing inks and chemicals used in making the cardboard product ? 

Would the whole spiritual event them be so purifying ? 



:huh:

What's that?
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grumbler

Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on July 17, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
Yes I've seen that.

Also the whole 'Sacred Weed' mantra has gotten real old, I take if more seriously if the people who were advocating it, didn't just jump-cut to any old shit piece of cardboard to make the filter for their joint; perhaps they should look into the printing inks and chemicals used in making the cardboard product ? 

Would the whole spiritual event them be so purifying ? 



:huh:

What's that? 

I think Mongers is just posting in the wrong thread.  Apparently there is some thread (maybe on his occupy web site) about some British "Sacred Weed' mantra, and he just mistakenly posted here instead.

Either that, or he is just clueless.
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