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The Borg Queen v. The Battlestar Ending

Started by Faeelin, May 08, 2009, 08:22:24 PM

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Faeelin

May 08, 2009, 08:22:24 PM
Which was more of a rape the dog moment?

The ending of Battlestar galactica, or the conversion of the Borg into a feudal monarchy?

Every time I see the Borg now, I can only think of the Borg discussing what's the proper fashion this season.

Neil

#1
May 08, 2009, 08:29:02 PM
The Borg Queen, because it ruined something good.  The new Battlestar Galactica was always shit.
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#2
May 08, 2009, 09:21:31 PM
Borg Queen. ruined one of the coolest scifi villians out there.
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Darth Wagtaros

#3
May 08, 2009, 09:55:52 PM
The movie she was in wasn't bad, but it really wacked the Borg, who were a frightening villain. 
PDH!

FunkMonk

#4
May 08, 2009, 09:56:44 PM
Agree with consensus.
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DontSayBanana

#5
May 08, 2009, 10:31:34 PM
Meh. Borg queen didn't kill the Borg, so much as bad writing did. Alice Krige had a good spin on the character. At the end of First Contact, the Borg would be back; the "queen" just fulfilled a function like the rest. Brannon and Braga should never have been allowed to touch writing for the Borg, though. From "Unimatrix Zero" on, they just shit on the Borg, until they were as laughable as the Kazon were in season one.

I only made it through season one of BSG, so I can't comment on the ending for that.
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garbon

#6
May 08, 2009, 11:04:03 PM
The Borg Queen was great. She's was totally tacky and unnecessary. :wub:

Besides, we've already gone over this.  The only way to keep the Borg frightening would have been to never explain anything about them.  The unveiling of the Borg Queen is very much like the unmasking of the Shadows in Babylon 5.
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Syt

#7
May 08, 2009, 11:24:24 PM
I liked the Borg as long as they were a force of nature kind of thing. The more demystified and throroughly detailed and "individualized" (esp. in Voyager) the less interesting/menacing they became. The queen was a move in the direction but a tolerable one.
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DontSayBanana

#8
May 08, 2009, 11:31:44 PM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 11:24:24 PM
I liked the Borg as long as they were a force of nature kind of thing. The more demystified and throroughly detailed and "individualized" (esp. in Voyager) the less interesting/menacing they became. The queen was a move in the direction but a tolerable one.

You put that a hell of a lot better than I did.
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Delirium

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May 09, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 08, 2009, 10:31:34 PMBrannon and Braga should never have been allowed to touch writing for the Borg, though. From "Unimatrix Zero" on, they just shit on the Borg, until they were as laughable as the Kazon were in season one.

And?  :huh:

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vinraith

#10
May 09, 2009, 01:21:44 AM Last Edit: May 09, 2009, 01:30:21 AM by vinraith
Quite literally no moment I can recall in an entertainment product compares to the level of unadulterated suck that was the end of BSG for me. The Borg Queen is horrible, and destroyed one of the best villains on TNG, but there are two reasons it doesn't remotely compare to the end of BSG:

1) It doesn't retroactively make all of TNG suck.

2) It happened after the run of the show was complete, so it's particularly easy to ignore.

It had a very adverse effect on Voyager, but given how crappy Voyager was who would notice?

DisturbedPervert

#11
May 09, 2009, 01:41:19 AM
Can't answer.  I normally stopped watching an episode of Voyager shortly after the first scene with 7 of 9.

DontSayBanana

#12
May 09, 2009, 01:43:55 AM
Quote from: Delirium on May 09, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 08, 2009, 10:31:34 PMBrannon and Braga should never have been allowed to touch writing for the Borg, though. From "Unimatrix Zero" on, they just shit on the Borg, until they were as laughable as the Kazon were in season one.

And?  :huh:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0103804/

:blush: Post proofreading epic fail. Busted. Should have read "Berman and Braga."

There was a lot of low-level controversy surrounding accusations that Berman and Braga took a little too much of a "hands-on role" (re: monopolized) in writing sessions for Voyager, to an effect not unlike George Lucas deciding to go it alone for the prequel Star Wars Trilogy. Look down that list and you'll see story credit for both Endgame and Unimatrix Zero.
Experience bij!

Delirium

#13
May 09, 2009, 01:45:04 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on May 09, 2009, 01:41:19 AM
Can't answer.  I normally stopped watching an episode of Voyager shortly after the first scene with 7 of 9.

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Grinning_Colossus

#14
May 09, 2009, 01:55:20 AM
I always fanwanked that the whole Hugh deal had more of an effect on the Borg than anyone realized, and led to a partial collapse of Borg society to the point that their abstract gestalt consciousness had to be reified in the form of a single drone.

There's also a line in FC to the effect that the Queen was aboard the (destroyed) Best of Both Worlds cube, which suggests that  she's less of an individual and more a manifestation of the collective consciousness.


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Anyway, the BSG finale was much worse, since it rendered everything after the first mention of the 'Final Five' nonsensical.
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