Star Trek (for actual talk about the star trek movie)

[katmai]

There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.

Did you ask for your money back?

No, why waste my time? They're not gonna give money back just because the movie was awful.

Uh most theaters will give you some kind of compensation (coupons/vouchers for free popcorn or sodas at the least if you walkout of theater, all depends when you leave, 30 mins into a flick sure, 5 mins left in film, not so much )

[katmai]

There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.

Did you ask for your money back?

I've never walked out of a movie (though I gave it serious thought when I went to see The Thin Red Line) but does that ever actually work?

Only movie i can recall walking out of was Jerry Springers Ringmaster...i didn't ask for money back as was working at theater so got to see it for free.

Even drunk that movie was horrible.

[garbon]

I ran out of Little Mermaid. I was afraid.

[Queequeg]

Liked it, especially aesthetically, though in general I have to think that the Star Trek universe detracts far, far more than it adds.  Its a dull universe populated (inexplicably, except from an economic perspective) by people who look human on the outside with them but are in no way related, though of course they can interbreed.  Its also just dully materialist and utopian.  Give me worm-like immortal God Emperors and intergalactic armies of lesbians any day. 

Nero was underused, underdeveloped.  Eric Bana is great, his makeup was great, but they didn't do enough. 

So are the Romulans like the Imperial Romans with the Vulcans being the relatively logical, spartan Republicans? Kind of uninspired. 

[vinraith]

in general I have to think that the Star Trek universe detracts far, far more than it adds.

Yup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.

[katmai]

I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.

[jimmy olsen]

I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.

The preachy socialistic moralising of TNG has been butterflied away.

[jimmy olsen]

There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.

Did you ask for your money back?

No, why waste my time? They're not gonna give money back just because the movie was awful.

Alright, I'll ask, what was it you walked out of?

Some Jackie Chan movie, I can't remember it's name but it was pretty damn afwul enough that even the martial arts couldn't save it for me and I usually like his movies.

[Queequeg]

I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.

The preachy socialistic moralising of TNG has been butterflied away.

Socialism I don't really have any problem with.  In an economy of effortless abundance it makes a lot more sense, actually. 

My problem is with the dullness of the people.  The primary difference between Humans and Vulcans is that Vulcans are flamboyant in their lack of emotion. 

I don't even understand what Starfleet does other than defense.  Why go out to meet new civilizations if you don't need to exploit their resources or learn from their technology?   Its more like a past time of the rich and bored. 

[garbon]

Yup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.

At this point, I'd say join them, Vinnie, as you ain't ever going to beat them.  Reinvention and resurrection (with the necessary vivisection) is the spirit of this age.  Like a hackneyed version of the Renaissance.

[garbon]

Its more like a past time of the rich and bored. 

What's wrong with that?

[Queequeg]

in general I have to think that the Star Trek universe detracts far, far more than it adds.

Yup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.

Agreed.  The illogic of it annoys me.

Then again, I have huge amount of trouble getting into hard sci-fi these days. I found Firefly insane mostly because the idea that raging, zombie-like morons could pilot and maintain a fucking starship.  And because Joss Whedon is talentless. 

Only "hard" Sci-Fi universe I still like is probably Dune, and that's been fucked by Herbert's son. 

[Queequeg]

Its more like a past time of the rich and bored. 

What's wrong with that?

Nothing really, but why does that have to be crossed with defense? It would make a lot more sense for relatively private ventures going out with some kind of government approval like the first European explorers.  The fact that the Federation confuses the two might be the reason hostile aliens always get so close to blowing up earth.   

[jimmy olsen]

I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.

The preachy socialistic moralising of TNG has been butterflied away.

Socialism I don't really have any problem with.  In an economy of effortless abundance it makes a lot more sense, actually. 

My problem is with the dullness of the people.  The primary difference between Humans and Vulcans is that Vulcans are flamboyant in their lack of emotion. 

I don't even understand what Starfleet does other than defense.  Why go out to meet new civilizations if you don't need to exploit their resources or learn from their technology?   Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.

Aside from defense they help people in distress whether man-made or natural disaster like the coast guard/national guard. They also do a lot of scientific research. As for exploration, there is still interstellar trade for luxury/exotic goods and one should always be on the look out for future threats. Also who says they don't learn from their technology? Earth got a lot of it's advanced technology from the Vulcans.

[Faeelin]

I don't even understand what Starfleet does other than defense.  Why go out to meet new civilizations if you don't need to exploit their resources or learn from their technology?   Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.

Ever read any of Ian Bank's culture series?