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Started by Syt, June 26, 2012, 12:12:54 PM

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Habbaku

#3480
February 17, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
CC, can you give an example of a game that is described as roguelike that doesn't meet the definition of roguelike?
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Razgovory

#3481
February 17, 2021, 03:49:05 PM
Back in the 1990's all shooters were "doom-clones".  At least until Quake.
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celedhring

#3482
February 17, 2021, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on February 17, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
CC, can you give an example of a game that is described as roguelike that doesn't meet the definition of roguelike?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slay_the_Spire

QuoteSlay the Spire is a roguelike video game

Really, it has just become a word to define games with procedural level generation.

crazy canuck

#3483
February 17, 2021, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on February 17, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
CC, can you give an example of a game that is described as roguelike that doesn't meet the definition of roguelike?

FTL is an example - Cel's example of Slay the Spire is probably better.  Probably the best is Endless Dungeon - it is its own creation based on a number of influences.

Grey Fox

#3484
February 17, 2021, 07:33:16 PM
Both FTL & Slay the Spire are roguelikes.

No Man's Sky, while being procedural, is not.
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Habbaku

#3485
February 17, 2021, 07:34:44 PM
Yeah, I'm not seeing how FTL and Slay aren't roguelikes. They hit every marker, even the dungeon crawl aspect to some degree in FTL's case.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

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crazy canuck

#3486
February 17, 2021, 08:00:13 PM
I guess this demonstrates part of the problem, the term has become one of those in the eye of the beholder type things.

Oexmelin

#3487
February 18, 2021, 01:33:17 AM
Eye of the Beholder definitely wasn't a roguelike.
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celedhring

#3488
February 18, 2021, 03:19:30 AM
I missed all those deckbuilding mechanics when playing Rogue  :P

(well, my first roguelike was Angband)

Syt

#3489
February 18, 2021, 08:50:12 AM
At any rate, I find the questioning of ADOM as a roguelike (as debatable as the exact genre boundaries may be, as with any genre) quite funny, considering it's one of the earliest examples (1996) of a Rogue-like game (together with Angband, Nethack, or TOME), and that until recently it looked like this:

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Syt

#3490
February 18, 2021, 08:51:52 AM
Here's a video of the developer of ADOM talking about the upcoming sequel. https://youtu.be/ldOFUz3CY6E
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crazy canuck

#3491
February 18, 2021, 10:37:25 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 18, 2021, 08:50:12 AM
At any rate, I find the questioning of ADOM as a roguelike (as debatable as the exact genre boundaries may be, as with any genre) quite funny, considering it's one of the earliest examples (1996) of a Rogue-like game (together with Angband, Nethack, or TOME), and that until recently it looked like this:


I was bemoaning the fact they used the term roguelike.  Marketing normally is about setting your product apart, not announcing hey, we are just another roguelike game.  For example, before reading your post I had no idea this game had the history it does.  Something calling themselves roguelike obscures, since this game actually came first.

Jacob

#3492
February 24, 2021, 02:58:36 PM
I've been playing a bunch of Minecraft: Dungeons with my son, and now my wife too.

It's not a rogue-like. More of a Diablo-like.

Grey Fox

#3494
February 24, 2021, 08:54:17 PM
I also play Minecraft Dungeon with my son. He doesn't know what a roguelike is it what Diablo is.
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